21-01-2004 04:03									#271
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If the save is here go ahead and play it if you want to Beta. I won't be home for another five hours most likely.

	21-01-2004 06:00									#272
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480bc turn played

..as per the previous orders. No exceptions, save one.

RP offered the 4gpt, and I returned it accpeted. We can wait till PP is done or do it now. Togas was not clear.

Also of note - we have stronger military than Spain. Not sure if they dismantled it, or whether it was part of the peace deal, or it was dismantled for them.

Galley searches unsuccesful. Pretty barren stretch of sea.

Great orders Rhoth.

Save sent to the Legolanders.

And btw - I was wondering if we wanted to rename Eternity to Panama Blox as a form of tourism advertsing for the Legolanders. Would work well in a Cadogan article. Or we leave the city as Eternity and rename the downtown core and Beach area Panama Blox. I have story brewing.

	21-01-2004 07:04									#273
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Good idea Beta! I for one have no problems with Eternity being renamed to Panama Blox.

	21-01-2004 10:26									#274
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I have no problem with either one Beta. I'll try and have new orders up for general consumption by tomorrow. I have a few computer issues right now. I just bought a brand new top-o'-the-line computer, but I need to get a tech out here to get internet installed on it so I have to go back and forth between computers for the next few days.

	21-01-2004 23:35									#275
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These orders have been verified

- Memory grows to size 3. WF to whale, 1 coast, and mined gold hill for 2fpt growth and 4spt.

- Phoenix finishes harbor. Start marketplace. WF to two coast tiles for 2fpt growth.

- Workers #1,2 and 6 mine hill tile they just roaded.

- Workers #3-5 road hill tile.

- Workers #8-10 mine hill tile they just roaded.

- Worker #11 roads mountain tile.

- V.C.S. Exploration moves 4-8-6

- V.C.S. Discovery moves 7-4-2

Last edited by Rhothaerill on 24-01-2004 at 13:52

	24-01-2004 14:08									#276
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The turn was played per my orders. No surprises and nothing discovered by the caravels.

We have 335 gold with 43gpt and we get Printing Press next turn!! Time to start up the research engine.


Voxtavia

Last edited by Rhothaerill on 24-01-2004 at 14:17

	24-01-2004 14:16									#277
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These orders have been verified

- Finish Printing Press. Start research on Democracy. Science slider to ramp up to highest possible research without running a deficit.

- Send Printing Press to Lego-accepted.

- Send Printing Press to Gathering Storm-accepted.

- Send Printing Press to Roleplay-accepted.

- Panama Vox WF to mined hill.

- Workers #3-5 mine hill tile they just roaded.

- V.C.S. Exploration moves 4-6-6

- V.C.S. Discovery moves 4-4-6

Last edited by Rhothaerill on 26-01-2004 at 10:37

	26-01-2004 10:49									#278
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The turn was played as per my orders, except for a few things. One of those is that I started a deficit spending toward democracy. Since we have plenty of gold banked and not a whole lot to spend it on right now, some deficit spending is in order, and it won't be a deficit for too long as we have a few more libraries and a university coming online soon. Also I sent printing press to GoW-unaccepted to kick them in the butt to get back to us about a deal. I'm also going to send a PM.

I am planning on sending the caravels back to port to wait for navigation. There is nothing more we can do with them until we have the ability to traverse ocean tiles.

We have 378 gold with -6gpt and democracy in 26 turns.


Voxtavia

	26-01-2004 10:51									#279
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These moves have been verified

- Hope completes library. Start worker.

- Renewal WF to mined hill and bonus grass

- Workers #1, 2 and 6 move 8-8-8.

- Workers #8-10 move 8 to remaining plains tile.

- V.C.S. Exploration head back to port to await upgrade.

- V.C.S. Discovery moves 7-9-2

Last edited by Rhothaerill on 27-01-2004 at 07:52

	27-01-2004 04:54									#280
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Rhoth - anything I can do to help with GoW? If so let me know.

	27-01-2004 07:42									#281
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Hi Rhoth - looking at the save - Discovery can move 7-9-2 or something like that to reveal some more tiles.

Bang on with the slider. The next notch up was 22 turns at -16gpt or something like that.

Btw - keep an eye on Renewal's wf. Moving one to gold mountain shaves two turns off the research time at the expense of the food.

Hope wf from hills to grassland?? Library is coming up next turn anyway, so no big deal.

Hmm - and that's about it.

	27-01-2004 07:57									#282
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Agreed on 7-9-2. I changed the WF on Renewal as well to a hill and bonus grass as after this next turn there is only one food needed for growth. After it grows to size 3 then we can work the mountain tile for lots of gold. I had already planned for that to take place as soon as we hit size 3.

Unfortunately there was nothing I could do about Hope. Even if we had changed it we'd waste food next turn. So I just left it since there was no gold change either way.

As to GoW, if you can get any response out of them be my guest. Neither MZ nor UnO have responded to my PM and both have read it. We'll see if they offered anything in game and just neglected to tell us since the save should hopefully be here soon. The turns are moving along very quickly now that all the wars are over.

	27-01-2004 11:51									#283
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The turn was played per the slightly revised orders. Nothing much happened. No offer from GoW so if you want to "lean" on them a bit that sounds good Beta.

We have 372 gold with -7gpt and democracy in 24 turns (which will go down appreciably as our cities grow soon).


Voxtavia

	27-01-2004 11:54									#284
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These orders have [been verified

- Renewal grows to size 3. WF to mined grass, mined bonus grass, and gold mountain for no growth and 6spt.

- Hope grows to size 5. WF on fish, 3 mined grassland and one coast. Please verify to make sure the worker has enough shields to build next turn. The hill will give too many shields and going to the coast for a turn will pick up one extra commerce.

- Seabiscuit grows to size 3. WF to two hill tiles and one coast tile.

- Workers #1 and 2 move 4-8-8 to plains tile.

- Worker #3 moves 9-8 and joins Panama Vox bringing it up to size 2. WF to mined hill and coast.

- Workers #4 and 5 move 9-8-8.

- Worker #6 moves 9-8-8.

- Worker #7 roads iron tile.

- Workers #8 and #9 road plains tile.

- Worker #10 skips turn (to remain in sync with 8 and 9).

- V.C.S. Discovery moves 2-2-6 (Exploration is in port, if you want to move him somewhere please say so, but I was just going to have them wait for upgrade)

Last edited by Rhothaerill on 30-01-2004 at 13:23

	30-01-2004 01:19									#285
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Hey Beta, you probably already know this since you're in PBEMs with Vondrack, but he's having email troubles and asked that we send the save to another address along with the main one.

quote: Hi, Jared! Due to the virus flood, our corporate mailserver is overloaded and I am getting all my emails with a horrible delay, if at all. When you send the PtWDG save, send a copy to vondrack@karneval.cz, too, please. Thanks, Radek

	30-01-2004 13:39									#286
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GoW sent chemistry-unaccepted and I added printing press and accepted the deal.

The turn was played per my orders, but I did change several things. First Renewal only get 5spt because of corruption, not six. Hope's WF stayed the same because of corruption also. I rushed the library in Panama Vox (only 24 gold) to be able to use the hill a little quicker. And the main thing was the slider was bumped to 70%

We have 341 gold with -12 gpt and democracy in 18 turns. We're starting to develop our research engine.


Voxtavia

	31-01-2004 01:22									#287
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These orders have been verified.

- Hope completes Worker A. Start Worker B. Down to size 4. WF on fish, 2 mined grassland, and mined hill.

- Panama Vox finishes library. Start harbor.

- Worker A moves 6-6-9 to Renewal.

- Workers #1, 2 and 8-10 plant forest.

- Workers #4 and 5 move 8-9-8.

- Worker #6 moves 8 to mountain tile

- V.C.S. Exploration moves into Irony

- Verify that GoW accepted the chemistry deal

Last edited by Rhothaerill on 03-02-2004 at 07:08

	03-02-2004 01:07									#288
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Hey Beta, the turn is here. I probably won't be able to play it until at least 10pm eastern time so if you want to play it go ahead. The orders haven't been verified yet, but I think they should be okay.

	03-02-2004 07:00									#289
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Okay I got home earlier than I thought. I'm playing the turn now.

	03-02-2004 07:32									#290
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The turn was played per my orders. We did indeed receive chemisty, though everyone else has it but Roleplay. We will finish the university next turn and need to decide whether we're going to start our military or build a bank.

We have 329 gold with -15gpt and democracy in 17 turns.


Voxtavia

	03-02-2004 08:23									#291
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These orders have been verified

- New Voice completes University. Start either a bank or a horseman

- Hope's culture radius expands. Verify that WF is still on fish, 2 grasslands and 1 hill.

- Worker A joins Renewal to make size 4.

- Worker #11 moves 8 and joins Renewal to make size 5. WF to mined grass, mined bonus grass, one coast and 2 mined hills (we'll lose 2 gpt from taking it off the mountain, but we'd otherwise have to use a second coast tile...this gets the marketplace finished several turns sooner).

- Workers #1, 2 and 8-10 chop forest. Chop should allocate to Phoenix.

- Workers #4 and 5 move 9-9-9.

- Worker #6 roads mountain tile

- V.C.S. Discovery moves 3 and fortifies.

	03-02-2004 08:30									#292
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quote: Originally posted by Rhothaerill The turn was played per my orders. We did indeed receive chemisty, though everyone else has it but Roleplay. We will finish the university next turn and need to decide whether we're going to start our military or build a bank. We have 329 gold with -15gpt and democracy in 17 turns. Voxtavia

Thanks Rhoth! You were home well before me. I had another community meeting tonight.

I will give some thought regarding bank or military. I guess sooner or later we are going to have to decide. After reading the AAR report on the Bobian war, I don't think we can take anything for granted - perhaps other than Lego's friendship.

Probably time to start a new thread on where we go from here with our game strategy. Will give this some thought. But right now I am too tired. Bed time.

	03-02-2004 08:43									#293
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Sleep well.

Yes, we will need a new game strategy to work out. We need to think about whether we want to be building a military or focusing on economy and counting on Lego to protect us. A concerted effort by any civ other than RP would break us right now, even if we get a military going soon so perhaps concentrating on our economy is the best way we can help Lego. On the other hand one of the other civs could use as a dropoff point to get to Lego. Who knows. It's something we'll need to decide how to proceed with.

I also need to work on the turn orders threads in the future planning as they have changed a little bit in recen turns. Plus I have added VW11 to Renewal for this coming turn rather than have him wait around a few turns to join Phoenix. It's a stronger move overall, but it affects a few of the turn orders.

	04-02-2004 11:22									#294
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The turns are moving quickly. The turn was played per my orders. Thanks to the university and increasing Renewal we've picked up a full turn on our research. We will also increase Seabiscuit's pop next turn for even more gold.

We have 314 gold with -15gpt and democracy in 15 turns.

Voxtavia

	04-02-2004 11:25									#295
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These orders have been verified

- Hope completes Worker B. Start Worker C. Down to size 3. WF on fish, mined grassland, and mined hill.

- Worker B moves 6-6-9 to Renewal.

- Workers #1, 2, and 8-11 move 2-2-6

- Workers #4 and 5 move 6 and join Seabiscuit bringing it up to size 5. WF to two hill tiles and three coast for no growth and 6spt.

	05-02-2004 08:01									#296
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The turn is here. I'll play it in about 15 minutes.

	05-02-2004 08:11									#297
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Thanks Rhoth. Good night.

Sorry - my pm box was full. Cleaning it up.

	05-02-2004 08:46									#298
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Per my orders. We have 299 gold -13gpt and democracy in 14 turns.


Voxtavia

	05-02-2004 08:50									#299
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- Worker B joins Renewal to make size 6. WF to mined grass, three coast tiles and 2 mined hills. (Hope gets the bonus grass this turn)

- WF in Hope to fish, mined bonus grassland, and mined hill.

- Workers #1, 2 and 8 move 9-8-9

- Workers #9 and 10 move 9-8 and skip turn.

	06-02-2004 09:13									#300
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560AD turn played

As per the orders.

Note that Panama Vox expanded its borders.

Gold at 286 and -11gpt. Democracy now down to 12 turns.