02-11-2003 22:20									#181
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Rhoth.

I like the Irony plan. Another consideration, although I 'm not sure its that big a factor here, is that Irony and Resurrection are the two closest cities to the capitol for corruption purposes. It would be good to see them expand first if possible.

Also, 244 gold is pretty steep for Memory. Let it work on it for a bit.

I like the harbour, library, marketplace queue as a general game plan.

I was at first undecided about the New Voice and barracks - but then after two nanoseconds of refelection said yes - that is the way to go. If we rae going to be any kind of factor at all in this game - we will need some kind of military. I find it interesting that as small as we are now, we still have both sides in the Bobian conflict courting us for help. That says something.

So yup, lets build a barracks after the library.

As to luxuries - please see the ND thread where I am proposing they may want to make a partial payment with a luxury. Right now, 10% on the luxury slider costs us 6gpt, which is total over a 20 turn period.

Hmm... makes me think we may want to ask ND for say 140 gold and a luxury for a 40 turn period starting sometime in the distant future. How does that sound?

But overall Rhoth - great plan and great analysis.

	03-11-2003 00:46									#182
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With this small a continent, corruption and waste will be roughly the same for most of the cities except the new one and Panama Vox.

The reason it costs so much is Memory just started the harbor and currently only contributes 2 spt. That is equivalent to reducing the price by only 8 gold per turn. But within the next two turns we can work a mined hill for 4 spt, the equivalent of reducing the cost by 16 gold per turn.

BTW, I don't think I explained my reasoning for marketplaces before libraries in most of the cities. We'll be doing a lot of 40 turn researches so the cash is better right now than the science. The two libraries I proposed were more for culture radius to allow all the cities to grow to size 6.

Barracks works for me. That is my preference too. We'll need to decide whether we want slow movers or fast movers. It is obviously cheaper to build warriors for upgrade to Immortals but I'd prefer to build horsemen for upgrade to knights. If we build too much military right away we'll eat into our gold quite a bit.

Regarding the luxury, that is fine with me if they agree to it. We also have the one from GoW too so we could have many turns of luxuries coming to us. The only thing is that at size 6 one luxury won't be enough without 10% lux slider anyway for the cities (unless we have a temple in each)

	05-11-2003 01:54									#183
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FYI, Roleplay has the save so we should be getting it either tonight or tomorrow. I should be able to play it either day. After that though I will be gone. I will leave turn orders for about 3 or 4 turns (not that anyone will play that many ).

I will probably be completely gone with no internet access from the 8th through the 16th of this month. I say probably because my wife and I are going to Maui for our anniversary, but if her mom continues to get worse we might not go.

	05-11-2003 03:17									#184
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Hope it all works out well for you and your wife, Rhoth.

I am here for that period if need be.

	05-11-2003 07:29									#185
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is the library more useful than a martket [place?

I guess we need something makinf culture

Jon Miller

	05-11-2003 07:33									#186
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The marketplaces will be more useful right now Jon. We need more gold. The libraries will only be useful for their culture in the two cities I had named, though we should build more libraries later on when we have the chance. When the culture borders expand in those particular cities then all of our northern cities can grow to size 6 with harbors...they can't right now.

	05-11-2003 08:18									#187
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Hope finished granary. Starts settler at 2spt.

3 workers on hill near Resurrection move 7-8 to hill north of Resurrection.

Work force on coast in Memory to move to newly mined hill.

3 workers on Renewal grassland will mine. Workforce on Renewal gold hill moved to mined grassland. 1 of the remaining workers will move 4-8 to last forest and begin the chop. Last remaining worker will move 7 to gold hill. My reasoning for this is that these tiles won’t be needed for a little while yet so I only want to use up two workers to finish them. The last three in that five stack we had will mine the last Hope grassland next turn and then move south.

Worker south of Phoenix should be finished roading. Move him 1 onto the hill.

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	05-11-2003 08:19									#188
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Rush harbor in Irony so that both New Voice and Irony will complete their builds next turn.

3 workers on Renewal grassland will move 4-7 and mine the last Hope grassland.

3 workers on hill north of Resurrection will road the tile.

Lone worker on hill southwest of Phoenix will road in preparation for a quick journey from the settler to the new city (which will be 1-1-1 of Phoenix and will need a name when it’s done).

3 workers on hill near New Voice will road the tile where they just completed the mine.

Work force in New Voice hill 7-8 moved to newly mined (but unroaded) hill.

Work force on one of Hope’s mined grassland to move to mined hill vacated by New Voice. Should move Hope up to 4spt

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	05-11-2003 08:19									#189
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Irony will complete harbor. Next build to be a library. All work force in Irony to be moved to coast tiles. Irony will run at 1spt for a little while, but it will have 2 fpt and once it grows to size 4 it will have 3 spt again.

New Voice will complete library. Next build to be a barracks. All work force in New Voice to be moved to the three mined grassland tiles. New Voice will run at 4spt for eight turns, and then when it grows we can join a worker and it will have 10spt.

3 workers on Hope grassland will move 3-2-2 to eventually join up for a five worker chop team near Phoenix and Seabiscuit.

3 workers on hill near New Voice will move 9-6 and mine hill north of Seabiscuit to give that city a second mined hill to work when it grows to size 2. Also, they will be done at the same time the three workers from up north will be arriving so the five worker chop team can start with one worker left over.

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	05-11-2003 08:20									#190
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That’s about as far as I’ve worked things out for now. While I’m gone the game most likely won’t even get to 350ad at the slow rate it’s going, but if it does get to 360ad both Phoenix and Seabiscuit will grow and Phoenix will complete a library. It should start on a harbor. The two 3-worker stacks should combine into a 5-worker chop stack and should build a forest on the tile 4 of Seabiscuit (just to avoid wasting worker turns). The leftover worker should head toward the iron mountain to road and mine (just don’t connect the road to the main network yet).

If anyone has anything else to add (or if I missed something )please do so. Thanks.


EDIT: BTW, if RP doesn't get us the save before Friday and someone else plays 320ad before me, the turn orders are on the page before this one.

	05-11-2003 19:08									#191
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Enjoy your trip. Things are settling down for me and Reddi has gone through his first critical week after surgery. I should have some time for Vox and will take a look over your orders. They look good but it doesn't hurt to have another look.

	06-11-2003 06:02									#192
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320ad played

As per Rhoth's orders.
No gold from GoW.

Treasury at 138 plus 27gpt.

PP in 18 turns.

Granary in hope next turn.

Renewal now will produce a harbour in 5.

The New Voice a library in 3.

And that's about it.

	06-11-2003 09:44									#193
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quote: Originally posted by HarryH Enjoy your trip. Things are settling down for me and Reddi has gone through his first critical week after surgery. I should have some time for Vox and will take a look over your orders. They look good but it doesn't hurt to have another look.

Please do. I just noticed and fixed an error regarding Hope's granary. I originally had it shown as being completed in 340 not 330.

	10-11-2003 12:16									#194
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we need a summary post or thread

I am unsure about our long term strategy

do we still ahve space to grow?

Jon Miller

	10-11-2003 12:50									#195
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Last question first - Do we still have space to grow? Yes - but only one more city, then that's it.

As far as our long-term strategy is concerned ... it would be just as that of the Platypus - one of survival.

Do we need a dedicated thread for this? I say no.

I am I being to blatant here, or does anyone else see any futher insight into our current condition?

	10-11-2003 21:57									#196
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Nope - you have it pegged right Witt. Survival.

Now - with survival comes some opportunties. We have the Little Bob offer and counter fake invasion, and the Part of Big Bob offer, to consider. But there is not a whole lot we can do for awhile.

We need to grow, get our reserach rate up to where we are a meaningful partner again, and develop a military strike force of sorts. My view here is that we should concentrate on a navy.

So, I am not sure we need a thread to discuss it. With the current slow pace of the game, an the fact that it will be awhile before we have grown sufficiently to make a difference - I say we can wait a few weeks before starting the thread.

On the other hand, it may be fun to chat about what we might do once we do grow up again.

	10-11-2003 21:58									#197
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Oops - and I meant to add - as far as being able to grow - yes one more city. But we can adds lots more population yet. If you added up the land and coastal tiles available and compared that with our pop, we still have lots of room for growth.

	10-11-2003 22:24									#198
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hmm

is there any more rrom in the world to build cities?

JOn Milelr

	14-11-2003 07:16									#199
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330ad played - belatedly - as per Rhoths instructions.

Jon - when we have better ships we may look for some islands. But otherwise - no.

	14-11-2003 21:15									#200
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I have not received any of the save files in a while. RP must have quit sending them to me.

I will be heading out sometime today for events this weekend.

	16-11-2003 15:06									#201
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Hey guys I'm back from my Maui vacation. My wife and I had a lot of fun and enjoyed the place again (our second time there, though last time we weren't married).

I guess the game IS going slowly. I thought that it would at least be to 340ad by now.

Harry, you need to PM Bigfree about the save. The problem is that Togas isn't playing the saves anymore and didn't pass on his email list. Arnelos played them for a time and I got him to include the two of us, but now Bigfree is playing them and I had only asked him to include me because I thought he would have had yours. Sorry.

	16-11-2003 21:11									#202
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Hi Rhoth - welcome back. Glad your trip was fun, and that it happened given the doubt at the start.

Yes - the game is going slowly. Two of the days was me sitting absently-minded with the save; I forgot you weren't around.

	22-11-2003 19:17									#203
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340ad played as per Rhoth's orders above.

I wasn't clear about the non-roaded mined tile - I presume you mean the one 2-3 of New Voice - which was roaded this turn.

Workers 8 of Resurrection are mining the hill.

Renewal wf moved from gold mountain to mined grassland tile. Harbor in 3.

Also - worker on gold mountain at Renewal 4 is mining.

Printing Press on 16 turns. And we have a library and harbor out next turn, another library in 2 turns, and another harbor in 3. Starting to get civilized.

Screenshot:

http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Beta/Vox-340ad.JPG

	22-11-2003 22:25									#204
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Cool. Looks good to me. I will run this and check it out to see if I have any changes to the 350ad turn orders (which might be played in about the next two weeks or so )

Re: the non-roaded mined tile, yest 2-3 of New Voice was the one I meant. Sorry about the confusion. Re: the mining vs. roading of the hills and gold mountain, that is fine. Neither of those tiles are pressing within the next three turns so I was going to have them road first for maximum flexibility of being able to move off the tile quickly if necessary. Mining first is perfectly fine though.

	22-11-2003 23:24									#205
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350ad turn orders have been updated to remove the order about the workers north of Resurrection mining the hill since they already are. They should finish and be able to road the tile in 360ad. Other than that, all the orders should be fine. I will post 360ad turn orders sooner or later,probably after 350ad is played so that I don't run into trying to figure out eactly where the workers will be several turns from now like I did when I was writing turn orders for a few turns ahead.

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	26-11-2003 09:55									#206
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Save is here. I will go ahead and play it and then figure out orders for 360ad.

	26-11-2003 10:15									#208
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Not much happened (all together now...say "I know" ). Turn played per my orders. I will have orders for turn 360 posted soon.

We have 69 gold with +23gpt and Printing Press in 15 turns. Glory of War still has not sent the 83 gold they owe us so I am going to compose a message requesting a timetable from them on payment.

Regarding the war on Bob, RP is now down to 1 city on Bob. But those scurrilious scalawags have taken up residence on our lost home!



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	26-11-2003 10:37									#209
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- Phoenix grows to size 2 and completes library. Next build queue should be harbor. Make sure new work force is working an unroaded forest. It should give the city 4spt. If not then work the roaded hill.

- Seabiscuit grows to size 2. New work force should be working a mined hill.

- 3 workers north of Resurrection should road the mined hill tile.

- 3 workers NW of New Voice should move 2-3-3.

That should be about it. Pretty soon we'll be able to chop several more forests and get a couple more harbors out to really start growing.

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