30-10-2003 05:27									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits Oh LaFayette - you mean the perimeter (more commonly 'circumpherence' in English) of a circle with a diameter of one. Stu - remembering that he was once a mathematician

I am no mathematician

Nevertheless, please be so kind as to suppose that I haven't completely forgotten yet that the circumpherence of a circle is twice pi *radius

	30-10-2003 11:24									#122
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I believe that the legislators of one Southern State thought that it was irrational for Pi to have so many figures, so they passed a law making Pi equal to 3.

RJM at Sleeper's

	30-10-2003 18:42									#123
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quote: (if you count the number of letters of each word, this gives you: 3.1415926535 )

I'm missing a word, or something…
In English, a contraction like "j'aime" is counted as one word… but you froggies can do what you want.

	30-10-2003 19:08									#124
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If, as I'm sure you all will in your long and happy lives, you ever come to write a French essay at a British university, then you will find that for word-count purposes "J'aime" counts as only one word. Cul-de-sac is also not three but one.

Anyways, whose turn is it?

	30-10-2003 21:27									#125
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Play List

1. Old n Slow
2. SG [1]
3. La Fayette
4. STYOM
5. Cyrion
6. DaveV
7. JRabbit
8. Julius Brenzaida (has the save & is in process)
9. Straybow
10. Zenon

	30-10-2003 21:33									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow but you froggies can do what you want.

... and that is precisely what we do anytime we manage to
(I grant you that the results are not always on the same level as the hopes )

	30-10-2003 21:40									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Elephant And it's very cold... in space... - Khan, Star Trek 2

And in space, no one will hear you screaming

- from one of the Alien movies, I believe

	30-10-2003 21:40									#128
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york Cul-de-sac is also not three but one.

Though there were 3 main characters in the movie 'cul-de-sac' that I enjoyed so much that I viewed it three times in a row (among whom Françoise Dorléac, Catherine Deneuve's sister, who died in a car crash a few weeks later ).

	04-11-2003 19:35									#129
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Quick update ...
To say I haven't been able to play my turns yet ...
It will be done by the end of the week
It shouldn't take too long I guess with only one city

	06-11-2003 22:46									#130
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[Updated 22-11-03]

1. Old n Slow
2. SG [1]
3. La Fayette
4. STYOM
5. Cyrion
6. DaveV
7. JRabbit
8. Julius Brenzaida
9. Straybow done!
10. Zenon

Last edited by Straybow on 22-11-2003 at 14:13

	08-11-2003 23:34									#131
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400 O Sole Mio celebrating but in Monarchy and at size 6. And we have an aqueduc ... let's wait for the next Oedo year.
420-440 We meet the Mongols in the North. They ask tribute. As they do not look strong, we refuse and they declare war and kill our legion. Revolution !
460 Republic, but we can't celebrate because we got both an archer and a trireme out. I don't want to disband thanks to the Mongol threat I've just created. Archer shall come home.
480-500 Japanese acquire polytheism from the Mongols.
520 Japanese declare war to the Russians. Looks like we got a lot of friendly neighbors !!! OSM builds harbor, archer is back home and we celebrate !
540 Barbarians land west of OSM. Japanese ask for 500 gold tribute ! we refuse and we're at war. They lose an unit. We kill another chariot and make a strategical retreat with our precious none units. Looks like the road to japan will never be finished. Caravans shall be rushbuild to pay later a lower tribute to japanase and the re-cash in yet later (I hope your following me).
560 Other barbarians land at the same spot. Luckily, it is quite far from us and they're all archers : we can see them coming. On the other hand forget about the leader's ransom ! We can't celebrate past size 7, why ??? Our lone temple is not enough !
580 Hides caravan in OSM. I decide to let the caravans in town to let my successor choose if he want trade or a wonder. We kill mongol cavalry.
600 Barbarians attack Japs. They're on our west too !
620 OSM builds coliseum, celebrates again. We discover Mathematics. What's next ? Another mistake I guess. I choose medecine, as Japs have astronomy and polytheism. Maybe we can exchange later.
640 Mongol archer killed. I don't remember how many turns I was supposed to play, but I think I've done enough damage to make this one really challenging ...

	08-11-2003 23:52									#132
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My reign shall be called the Republican mistake.
Basically, I went for republic for very small gain (but it should begin to pay soon, at least I am hopeful), and I've been to war with 2 civs. Great for OCC !!!
Science is now down to 12 turns (self mockery). Oh yes, and I didn't know what to do with the trireme : shall it explore west or bring trade to japs ???
Before leaving for the Stricky Mouse Institute and some lonely, faraway and very cold island, I put the save.
"Robust" constructivism would be soft indeed.

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	09-11-2003 01:23									#133
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LOL - Poor Julius - the world isn't really out to get you - it just seems that way

Stu

	10-11-2003 02:02									#134
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Have you ever noticed: when the Human player is at war a lot, the AI civs seem to follow suit with each other? If you make peace with all of them, they calm down and start those "Paris Mutual Defence Alliances" against you.

Julius: A city in Deity cannot celebrate beyond size 7 with only a Temple. No matter how much trade you turn to Luxuries, there will still be one red face to kill the celebration. Colosseum, Cathedral/Mikes or Shakes is needed to pacify the extra citizen for further celebration.

	10-11-2003 21:39									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Elephant Julius: A city in Deity cannot celebrate beyond size 7 with only a Temple. No matter how much trade you turn to Luxuries, there will still be one red face to kill the celebration. Colosseum, Cathedral/Mikes or Shakes is needed to pacify the extra citizen for further celebration.

At least, I finally bought the coliseum.
With the size grow, it shall pay off in the long run

	21-11-2003 19:39									#136
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Straybow?????

	21-11-2003 20:12									#137
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Not sure what has happened to Stray. I've seen his posts in the OT, but nothing here. We've skipped him in Sailing (2) so I don't know if you want to do the same here. Seems a shame, but otherwise too many of the games will fall down the forums. Ben has taken over Presidency of the Demo game and so he too has less time for SXNs.

	21-11-2003 21:27									#138
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I've been working loooong hours. Although I have posted on OT a few times I've twice loaded O Sole Mio in only to wake up on the couch a few hours later…

I shall move heaven and earth to play my round this evening!

* Straybow cleans drool from keyboard and rubs key-impressions from forehead

	21-11-2003 21:38									#139
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Yay! He's back!

I'm playing your turn in Sailing (2) at the weekend, but if you play too then we can use your save for future turns.

	22-11-2003 01:45									#140
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york Yay! He's back! I'm playing your turn in Sailing (2) at the weekend, but if you play too then we can use your save for future turns.

(sorry to intrude in this thread, but,)


How can both of you play Sailing(2) at the same time? Unless only one is the 'official' save... but what would be the point of that?

I had figured you were playing, duke. Stray, you're welcome to jump in on Monday, given the shortness of the notice. And assuming you have time, of course.

Or, I guess you could play concurrently with the duke, as he suggested, and the 2 of you can decide which is the official save. I'd rather we didn't play this way, though, as there would be the temptation to take the better turns as 'official'.

	22-11-2003 04:51									#141
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I shall comment on that in the Sailing thread. Will probably be after midnight EST before I can get to this—rushing off to a meeting now.

	22-11-2003 14:16									#142
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640 [tweaking] rates adjusted, incremental rush, etc. [Enter] Game says we grow past 400k, but then nothing else happens. Turn counter still says "A.D. 640." All units are unchanged (eg, horsemen have no move left).

* Straybow rubs the sleep from his eyes.
* Straybow Loads O_Auto (a new file, since I hadn't played a round yet): game still says 640.
* Straybow ponders: Curiouser and curiouser.
* Straybow Reloads game from d/l file O__a640. Immediately saves into a new file.

640 [tweaking] Rates adjusted to 2.2.6 (I believe in money ). Buy one increment of caravan production, move workers onto shield-grass. Save. [Enter] Jap horsemen die assaulting Robin Hood and his Merry Woodsmen. "Thanks for the vet!"
(Yeah, I know they were already, but you gotta say it anyway )

660 Now we're truly past 400k! Growth stops at 9. Horsemen step out a bit, spot a band of Mongol Warriors! Having only a fractional mp left, they use to to withdraw downstream. Trireme heads south. Tweak and punt. Fierce Warriors flee eastward.

680 Horsemen advance and toy with Warriors' ZOC, spot Mongol city Aleppo on a canal site . Trireme heads west skirting ice floes.

Horsemen wake up, and out with a bound.
To the South and West a green Cat is found!
Mustering courage, they charge with their lances:
Cat dies, but no vet. What are the chances?

Ok, enough of that. Chariot is healed, too. Scouts the southern road, spots a Cat but has 2/3 move left. Withdraws. Tweak, reset sliders to 2.1.7 and go.

700 Jap Ellie and Cat advance but don't attack Chariot. Big mistake, chumps Chariot skips the poety and wipes them both out. Previously damaged Horsemen withdraw to heal up. Archers activated, headsouth to guard the Charioteers' flank.

720 Ruskie capital moved to Sevastapol. Food caravan produced. No more Japs spotted on southern road. Tweak, [Enter].

740 Japs enter Feudal era. Our discovery time goes from 14 to 13 turns; OK by me. As our salt mines are explored a vein of gem bearing rock is discovered, changing our commodities. Not much else happens.

760 Jap Legion advances. OSM grows to 10, AI chooses to work the forest… OSM in disorder. My bad leaving it to the AI instead of vacating a shielded grass. Non-vet Horsemen withdraw from Legion. Archers spot Ellies coming from SE avoiding the road.

780 Jap Ellies advance, Legion withdraws to the West. Order restored. Horsemen rush to the defense of OSM and handily defeat the fearsome Ellies. Thanks for the vet!

800 Jap Ellies rumble through Sherwood forest, Robin Hood trampled. Horsemen appear on the periphery of our territory. Charioteers sally forth to dispatch the trumpeting beasts, Horsemen spot returning Legion. Antarctic Trireme spots a continent. Tweak for max trade, discovery period now 11 (4-ish turns remain).

820 Not much.

840 Horsemen slay Jap Horsemen. Non-vet Archers occupy Sherwood forest, look for a Lochsley heir.

860 Soloists discover Medicine, and choose Wheel next (looking towards Sanitation). Gems produced, though only wimpy cities demand it. Trireme discovers a road on the continent.

880 Japs develop Chivalry Our Chariots espy Ellies on the southern road. The Japs plead truce, that they may build Knights to stomp us. We know this, yet also seek time to build our strength. They request the secret of Republic, we definitely agree and sign the truce. Trireme discovers Smolensk.

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	22-11-2003 15:05									#143
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Good to have you back - don't let this work thing interfere with the important thing of life

Sound like good turns too! . I love the smell of elephant blood in the morning...

	24-11-2003 05:45									#144
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...smells like victory!

	24-11-2003 05:52									#145
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A very special OCC game indeed
I would swear SG(2) enjoys it, if he has enough spare time to read the logs.

	24-11-2003 20:07									#146
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AAaaaaand we're back! -- to Straybow

Looking for Zenon to close out round I.

	25-11-2003 20:13									#147
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Nice turns Straybow
And I thought that I was making too much fight in mine

	30-11-2003 16:52									#148
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits Good to have you back - don't let this work thing interfere with the important thing of life

Thanks to Stu´s excellent advice we are now at 1260 AD. Here is the log:

Let´s see how we stand in 880:
Power Rating: pathetic
Dipl.: spotless
Japanese: we just signed a truce, we have an embassy, they have Feudalism, Chivalry, Iron Working, The Wheel, Astronomy
Mongols: no Embassy, war, uncooperative, this looks like peace
Russians, to the West on continent 38, no contact,
WoW: We have Colossus, Mongols Great Wall, Russians Pyramids, English HG, Japanese Lighthouse and Copernicus, Vikings Oracle,
Techs: 21, we could build Shakes or MPE, 4 caravans are allready build, now researching The Wheel, discoveries ev. 12 turns
Map: Russians discovered, but we can´t make contact, no unit on board
Units: 2 archers (one Veteran) and a trireme, none units 1 archer, 2 horses, 1 chariot, 1 settler
Improvements: temple collosseum, harbour, market place, library, aqueduct, max production 14, support 3, 3 trade routes

Consul Zenon takes over the government, thanks his predecessor for his glorious defense of our magnificent empire against the Japanese and Mongol hordes and announces a period of peace and development.

880 Production up to 10, tax 70 - 10 - 20, rush buy 30 shields,
contact Mongols: they are inadequate, peace, trade The Wheel for Construction, give Republic, Philosophy, share maps: the Mongols have 8 cities, 2 small cities are on our continent, the others on continent 2 far to the North, they are not really a threat. The Udal is unveiled on continent 8. The Vikings are far away.
contact Japanese, they are strong, we give construction as tribute, trade Philosophy for Polytheism, give Seafaring peace alliance, share maps, no gift (misers, they have more than 1400 g); hides and gems caravans sent West

900 We research Engineering now, Japanese research Navigation, caravan, disband archer, we can now celebrate again and keep production at 10, trireme ordered home to meet caravans

920 caravan, tax rate 40 - 40 - 20

940 size 11, Marco Polos Embassy, not much to trade, the Japanese are far ahead of all others, Mongols are republic now, Russians, cordial, mighty, we refuse demands, peace, give construction, maps, alliance, 250g, the others are uncooperative or icy and in despotism, we will contact them later

960 Russians ask for war against Vikings, sorry, we are to busy, war for 400g? - Zenon the peaceful immediately declares war against these unknown pirates to assist our friendly allies on the other side of the world, hides caravan, new setting 0 - 80 - 20, adv. every 10 turns

980 caravan

1000 Mongols develop Astronomy, caravan, Japanese establish republic, hides caravan

1020 Chinese develop trade, the Russians are now at war with the Chinese, caravan, Mongols research University now, caravan

1040 caravan

1060 caravan, size 12, contact English, supreme, give Construction as tribute, peace, give republic, maps, alliance, 300g

1080 Vikings dev. Republic, caravan, hides to Edo (d) 228g

1100 Engineering, we research Sanitation now, Japanese dev. Navigation, caravan,

1120 English dev. literacy and start Great Library, caravan, hides to Nara (d) 180g

1140 hides to Kyoto (d) 288g, caravan, hides to Edo 118g, Russians capture Viking city and receive Republic,

1160 Japanese are about to finish Sun Tzu, we could trade for feudalism and finish it ourselves but contacting the Japanese might be a problem. We risk the alliance when they ask for medicine, also trading for feudalism stops rush buying warriors and slows down the research. The alternative is building Shakes now as planned and going for Monotheism and Michelangelos next.
caravan

1180 Shakespeares, Sanitation, collosseum sold for 100g, we research Monotheism, Russians are a republic now, Osaka builds Sun Tzu, Jap. change Sun Tzu to Magellans, they were building a second wonder!

1200 Our hides caravan is contacted by the Japanese: they offer Navigation for Engineering, we better trade with them, we have 3 good caravans to deliver, we don´t want renaissance yet, we choose Chivalry, give sanitation, 250g, a gift from the Japanese! temple sold for 40g

1220 Trondheim builds Great Library, Mongols develop University, Sewer System, size 13, we are celebrating, settings adjusted to 0 - 70 - 30, Mongols: we try to trade University, they want Chivalry, we offer Engineering, No,

1240 English develop Monarchy, Japanese trade University for Navigation with Mongols, Vikings get both from GL, Diplomat, we contact the Mongols again and trade Chivalry for University, they are allready trading with the Japanese anyway

1260 University, Science at 10 turns, English: trade Trade for Iron Working, give Sanitation 150g, Vikings: moderate give construction, our only war ends with a cease fire, we give Philosophy, Warrior Code and The Wheel, maps, they say good bye before we can sign a peace treaty. Russians: give Philosophy, Mathematics 250g, dye to Kagoshima (d) 272g,


The treasury is at 912g, Monotheism should be discovered in 4 turns. We are still pathetic. O Sole Mio is celebrating at size 15, our trireme can deliver hides to St. Petersburg in 3 turns (we should wait for Monotheism) and gems to Yakutsk in 7 turns, both demanded. The deliveries should hit the science cap at appr. 700g each. We are not at war and our reputation is spotless. We have alliances with the 3 strongest civs, the Japanese, the Russians and the English. We should be cautious to contact the Japanese. We have learned a lot about the world map. I haven´t rush built anything this turn, so my successor may decide, what to build next.

I resign.

Zenon

	30-11-2003 18:23									#149
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"Nice! if somewhat friendly turnset", sniffs the RAR

	30-11-2003 23:03									#150
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits "Nice! if somewhat friendly turnset", sniffs the RAR

OTOH...knowing where to find them, it will be easier to plot their eventual destruction

1750 is just around the bend

Monk