30-11-2003 23:24									#151
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Zenon, the PEACEFUL OCCer at work

(yet, what use is Mike if we have ST inside our one and only city ?)

	01-12-2003 00:15									#152
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette Zenon, the PEACEFUL OCCer at work (yet, what use is Mike if we have ST inside our one and only city ?)

Agreed

Let the AI build it; then go capture it after 1750...when, quickly, there will be more than one city....

Monk

	01-12-2003 03:23									#153
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette (yet, what use is Mike if we have ST inside our one and only city ?)

Once we go to Fundy, +3 tithes from our one city

	01-12-2003 08:48									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Zenon 940 size 11, Marco Polos Embassy... 1260- The treasury is at 912g, Monotheism should be discovered in 4 turns. We are still pathetic. O Sole Mio is celebrating at size 15, our trireme can deliver hides to St. Petersburg in 3 turns (we should wait for Monotheism) and gems to Yakutsk in 7 turns, both demanded. The deliveries should hit the science cap at appr. 700g each. We are not at war and our reputation is spotless. We have alliances with the 3 strongest civs, the Japanese, the Russians and the English.

Huzzah!
Huzzah!
Huzzah!

(Elephant, just back from "Master and Commander"...)

Monday Morning Edit:
'bout time we had a real OCCer show these RARs how to make progress...

RE: Mikes, you are planning a big city-grab in a couple more turns, right? Sure would beat ST when it gets -time.

... just 500 more years till you can toss us annoying OCCers over the side...

	02-12-2003 05:30									#155
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Okay, here are some more thoughts of Zenon the Peaceful:

We are playing a Giga map. Right now there are 61 AI cities to capture and there will be a few more until we finish somewhere in the 20th century. Now that we have traded most of the maps we know what distances we have to go. The English, for instance, are more than 60 fields away. I hope that the Japanese will finish Magellans in time. If not, we should consider to build it ourselves.

There are 37 turns left until invasion day, enough time to build Michelangelos, barracks and some crusaders and knights to face the Japanese. O Sole Mio has a production of 14 now. In 35 turns our settler can mine the jungle field and two grasslands into forest, enough to support up to 20 units. The treasury and the deliveries will help to build them.

I strongly recommend Michelangelos Chapel. We may have some 40 cities before we can capture it from the AI and the unhappiness will hurt much more than the 8 caravans we spend now. Also we cannot support more than 20 units anyway.

Techwise we have Iron Working and can trade for Navigation to go for Physics and Steam Engine. There is a lot of water on this map and many AI cities are just waiting for our Ironclads.

One final reminder for those who never have alliances. Donīt forget to get rid of the alliance before the AI is approached! I donīt want to hear any complaints about triremes and troops sent back to our homeland.

Zenon

	02-12-2003 13:28									#156
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Clear answer to my question by the Peaceful Ruler Now Retired

	02-12-2003 20:18									#157
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quote: Originally posted by Zenon One final reminder for those who never have alliances. Donīt forget to get rid of the alliance before the AI is approached! I donīt want to hear any complaints about triremes and troops sent back to our homeland.

Milk 'em while we're "Pathetic"... lots of gold out there for rush-buying!

	02-12-2003 20:36									#158
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This one is really interesting strategy-wise
Patience, patience, patience

	04-12-2003 00:52									#159
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I'm up next, but unable to play until Sunday

If SG (1) (and afterwards, La Fayette, STYOM) would like to step in in front of me, please feel free to do so.

	09-12-2003 00:21									#160
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Seeing no action, I'll jump into this tonight or tomorrow night (probably the latter as I want to be careful here.)

	11-12-2003 21:28									#161
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The Play list -- since we will soon come to the magic date of 1750, why don't we start the second round with ten turns each.

1. Old n Slow
2. SG [1]
3. La Fayette
4. STYOM
5. Cyrion
6. DaveV
7. JRabbit
8. Julius Brenzaida
9. Straybow
10. Zenon

	11-12-2003 21:30									#162
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Round two -- let’s all play ten turns each

RB a camel; we’re pathetic (almost true.)

1280 (1) -- move our boat & RB another camel; size = 16 (we’ve been promoted to weak -- hip, hip,… hooray.)

1300 (2) -- We’re back to pathetic -- and now we’re so demoralized, we won’t check anymore. Talk to the Russians (5 spears) They want us to declare war on the Vikes (no) they want 150g (we pay up.) We also give them Chiv, Eng & Uni, and then meekly ask them for a gift ….and collect 250g. RB a boat to carry the two new camels.

Hmmm flush with confidence, we talk to the Mongols, give them Eng and ask for a gift nly to be rebuked because they’re working on a wonder (doh!). Talk to the Vikes, who are three techs behind us, but have Nav -- but they don’t want to trade, pleading inanity.
(Mongols & Vikes start KRC) We grow to size 17.

1320 (3) -- We discover Mono & opt for Inv over Astro, BB, Chem, & Feud. Now at size = 18. hides (d) to St. Pete = $700. Hmmm this looks like a good racket; boat sets sail west. RB a camel.

1340 (4) -- Russians stopour 2nd camel to talk (same as before -- War vs Vikes?, no, -150g. (ouch #2)). We give Sea & Sanitation & ask for a gift -- +200. Also put the camel on autopilot to Tblisi (maybe it will forestall these awkward conversations -- we’re now only a half dozen techs over the Russians.) Karakorum completes Magellan’s (rats -- note to self -- put this into the early target bucket.) & English abandon. size = 19. RB another camel.

1360 (5) -- We love ends at size = 19. we toggle around & seem to get no satisfaction, so we rest the numbers to 2.0.8. Discover Inv & opt for Bank over Astro, Feud & Gun. Kagoshima completes KRC, and Russians, Vikes, and Mongols abandon. RB a camel.

1380 (6) -- Talk to the English -- -INV, +Nav; -Mth, +BB; -Phil, +250. Maybe we should talk to them again sometime. (Vikes start Leo’s due to their GL swipe of our trade.) RB a boat.

1400 (7) -- Caravel leaves bound for Russia with 3 Hides camels on board . RB a camel

1420 (8) -- move boats, RB a camel

1440 (9) -- Ditto

1460 (10) Gems (d) to Tblisi -- 726g. Should get the discovery on the click (thus the toggle to 8.0.2)

Notes -- we have a few food camels, can probably use a few more. Also have a couple of coins in the treasury -- we may want to make a trade or two to get Astro so we can research TG & get Isaac Newton. My focus was on riding the commodity camels as long as they were offered (a few Russian cities want hides) -- now that we’re down to food, we might as well grab a couple of choice wonders.

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	12-12-2003 01:20									#163
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Right - will get to it asap ...

Stu

	13-12-2003 02:29									#164
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This weekend is impossible - taking {3} to Cambridge for an interview (budding mathematician)

Any one feel free to leap in...

Stu

	13-12-2003 03:44									#165
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La Fayette is next in line...

	13-12-2003 03:46									#166
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... and La Fayette will play ASAP
(let us say tomorrow)

	17-12-2003 01:57									#167
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Played yet?

Stu

	17-12-2003 04:55									#168
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Sorry, I played but forgot to post the save

Here it is

(log tomorrow)

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	18-12-2003 14:28									#169
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Main events:

Commodities delivered:
3 Hides to Sverdlovsk = 626g each

Techs discovered:
Bank, Astro, Demo, Physics.

Revolution in 1570.

(savegame posted previously )

	18-12-2003 14:35									#170
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I have the game - will play now ...

Stu

	18-12-2003 18:35									#171
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@ La Fayette --

FYI, I believe The Institute offers a remedial course in Turnlog Writing...

	18-12-2003 18:51									#172
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit @ La Fayette -- FYI, I believe The Institute offers a remedial course in Turnlog Writing...

I think he has used the modified French haiku style.

Monk

	18-12-2003 19:20									#173
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1580 - We are ridiculously rich - why? Galleons would be nice - celebration beckons; Despatch Beads van towards Kyoto;

1590 - Build caravan, spend money
1600 - Leo's Shop; Nice new ellie kills Barb Chariot; spend money
1610 - Mike's Chapel; start Granary
1620 - Beads(d)-Sverdlovsk, 660g
1630 - Granary completed; Economics->Magnetism; spend money
1640 - Lady Liberty; Now size 21
1650 -
1660 - Beads(d)-Kyoto, 186g; Russians: we gift Physics they donate 250g;
1670 - Caravan outside Vladivostok pauses as Science box nearly full; Prepare for celebration
1680 - Magnetism->Chemistry; Gold(d)-Vladivostok, 895g - no commodities freed
1690 - WLCD starts
1700 - Bribe Japanese Gems caravan, 450g;
1710 -
1720 -
1730 - Bank, Chemistry->Gunpowder; swap Magnetism with Russians for Gunpowder;
1740 - start research of Leadership; Barb Frigate sinks (empty) Galleon;
1750 - hut yields 100g; now size 26 ; and at this magic date I pass the orb and sceptre of state ...

Think I have left things fairly orderly - Settler is completing the Road to Japan - can't imagine why

Stu

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	18-12-2003 19:48									#174
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Shall we discuss how to unblock commodities, or is it fun time?

	18-12-2003 20:07									#175
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Don't you have to move the city so that the terrain surrounding it is different?
Alternatively you can get the city captured by another civ.

	18-12-2003 20:41									#176
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits 1580 - We are ridiculously rich - why? Stu

You're welcome -- when I see hides repeated in an OCC (especially when demanded elsewhere) -- I put camel making as the #1 priority

Since we are now at 1750 AD, STYOM has the first opportunity to shift out of OCC.

Ten turns please.

	18-12-2003 22:08									#177
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit @ La Fayette -- FYI, I believe The Institute offers a remedial course in Turnlog Writing...

What would you say if I asked anyone to write his next log in french?

(what happened is that I wrote my log on a sheet of paper that I lost before having posted, ... keep quiet though: I know I should use Notepad or the like )

	18-12-2003 23:16									#178
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette What would you say if I asked anyone to write his next log in french? I wrote my log on a sheet of paper that I lost...

I figured it was either that, or the dog ate it.
(Actually, we are brethren in this. I find it simpler to write longhand notes as well.)

As for writing my next log [I]en francais,[/] I'm willing to try, but would need help with the names of military units and white goods.

	19-12-2003 00:34									#179
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All you'll need is:

le "Japanese": finis!
le "Mongols": finis!
le "Rus": finis!
le Anglais: finis!

duke o'york: Unblocking commodities is an art, but does not necessarily require terrain mod or city movement. If any of the three commodities is not listed in the Trade Routes, it can be unblocked. Keeping it unblocked just requires delivery to a city that will not disturb one of the existing routes. See Solo's Early Landing Guide for the details, but the fundamental technique for OCC play is called "Wonder Bread" (make a food caravan, switch to any Wonder, "cash in" the food, if the unblocking is successful switch back to caravan and RushBuy as necessary to complete same turn).

	19-12-2003 00:55									#180
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>1700 - Bribe Japanese Gems caravan, 450g

Re-homing caravans is considered a cheat, but bribing one is OK? Presumably this will re-home it, unless it becomes a NONE? Is it OK to re-home a food caravan if you want to use it to build a wonder you don't have the tech for yet and the city supporting it is about to be captured (i.e. no attempt to gain an improper advantage)? Is it worth paying 450 gold for a caravan anyway?