20-11-2003 20:32									#241
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Good turns La Fayette

And good choice to wait on stirring up the Greens for a bit. Polyphemus is too small and undefendable now if they should spill out of their huts and flood down the peninsula.



This is for The Duke. Why not change production to markets and disband the camels to speed their completion. Definitely should go prefectionist, definitely.

Monk

	20-11-2003 21:16									#242
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quote: 1550: Hut gives musket

More "potato chip syndrome"? Anybody count the techs yet - are you below or above 20?

quote: Spanish chariot will have Republic ... or else... we say "please, help yourself" = peace, OK for tech swapping

Whoa: who let that peacenik in? Must be a refugee from one of the anti-Bush rallies! Burn him!
On second thought, you've made more progress by peaceful tech swapping than all of the RAR combined...

quote: Astro, Feudal, Gunpowder, IronW, Magne, Math, Myst, Navig, Philo, Physics, Steam, WarriorC

You don't have Mysticism yet? Then again, not many Temples, right?

Zulus aren't known for their great researching ability, so if this is what they have imagine what the Chinese have. Then again, Zulus have the GL, right?

	20-11-2003 21:58									#243
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@Elephant

Looking at the save...

--Sivians are researching tech #23, Democracy
--Sivians have 11 cities, 5 temples
--Sivians are rated Weak...up from the mire!!
--Greens have 15 white techs...not Magnetism though
--Greens have the #1 city in the world, Zimbabwe, size12 with three WOW's

Monk

	20-11-2003 22:14									#244
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york Does anyone fancy telling me what I won't do then?

IMHO you won't let the Chinese get SoL
(because if they do, I can foresee hard times for us :rolleyes

	20-11-2003 22:31									#245
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quote: Originally posted by Elephant On second thought, you've made more progress by peaceful tech swapping than all of the RAR combined... You don't have Mysticism yet? Then again, not many Temples, right? Zulus have the GL, right?

1) (tech swapping) Glad you noticed it

2) The rabbit started several temples and I completed 2 of them IIRC (because I found nothing better to switch to, and I hope they will be useful after we switch to Commie and grow those cities like mad).

3) Yes the Zulus have the GL (that's probably the reason why they are 17 techs ahead, but the Spanish have no GL and are 12 techs ahead of us )

	20-11-2003 22:31									#246
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette IMHO you won't let the Chinese get SoL (because if they do, I can foresee hard times for us :rolleyes

If we don't get SoL, I think our best strategy is to trade within the island core, maybe build some improvements (harbours) for the future. In the fringes of our nation, we'd be ICSing, hut hunting, and stealing techs.

	20-11-2003 22:38									#247
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quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man If we don't get SoL,

I cannot discuss this

The duke is DEFINITELY going to get SoL

	20-11-2003 22:39									#248
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... or maybe Straybow, since I sent a message to him

	20-11-2003 23:19									#249
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Rule reminder: No Caravans/Freight to enemy cities; no city bribe for a while longer.

12 turns apiece.

Play list:

1. Oldnslow
2. Ben Kenobi (skipped)
3. STYOM
4. SG[1]
5. Jrabbit
6. La Fayette
7. Straybow
8. duke o' york (only on Sunday mornings)

	21-11-2003 01:52									#250
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Hey, if we miss the Lady, Mikes would be nice; a democracy with galleons & camels for trade, dips for "research", some ICS to flesh out the ranges...

Hmmm a temple, Mikes & xin -- might work even of we don't have commy to work with.

Of course, the question (in that situation) then becomes -- when to we jump to 'acquisition mode'?

	21-11-2003 11:08									#251
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La Fayette,

When the Spanish came calling, could you see from which direction they came??

Monk

	21-11-2003 11:37									#252
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quote: Originally posted by Old n Slow Hey, if we miss the Lady, Mikes would be nice; a democracy with galleons & camels for trade, dips for "research", some ICS to flesh out the ranges... Hmmm a temple, Mikes & xin -- might work even of we don't have commy to work with.

I was sure it was gone and so just checked the save; I'm a little amazed that Mike's is still available. At least it's a fallback option.

Unless duke is secretly a democrat

	21-11-2003 13:51									#253
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Just which part of "We need The Lady" is causing difficulty, gentlemen?

The next player has a clear imperative - and an equally clear alternative.

* Stu - still trying to invent Gunpowder for his rabbit hunting expedition *

	21-11-2003 15:59									#254
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk La Fayette, When the Spanish came calling, could you see from which direction they came?? Monk

The Spanish chariot appeared close to Polyphemus, apparently riding along the peninsula from northwest to southeast (exploring, I would say).

	21-11-2003 16:11									#255
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits Just which part of "We need The Lady" is causing difficulty, gentlemen?

The tech (Demo) can be available within 3 turns. All 8 camels can be completed within 4 turns, with some incremental rushbuilding. The problem is that those camels are spread on 5 different islands and the only galleon available at the moment will be on the spot within 4-5 turns.
That is why STYOM and I think that one more galleon should preferably be rushbuilt and careful choice of where to build the Lady and how to transport all camels there should be done.
Careful planning could provide SoL within 6-7 turns. Careless organization could provide SoL within more than 10 turns (and probably losing it to the Chinese).

	21-11-2003 18:42									#256
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits * Stu - still trying to invent Gunpowder for his rabbit hunting expedition *

* -Jrabbit @ The Institute *

	21-11-2003 19:27									#257
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I've downloaded the game. Unless I'm ill as I was last time I played then you can expect a report and the new save on Monday.

I'm beginning to hope that the rabbit doesn't get too far away because Stu might be after me next. We'll see how the turns go though.....

	21-11-2003 19:31									#258
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(sound of cracking whip in background)

Just (ow!) get The Lady (ouch!!), duke... if you don't, it could be (oww!!) be all over for me. Hhellllllppp!!! Aaiiieeeeeee!!!!!

	21-11-2003 19:51									#259
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Drama queen!

If I load the game and press return to be greeted with:

quote: The Chinese report they have nearly finished their great wonder: The Statue of Liberty

apart from composing a suitable obituary for -JR, then what direction ought we be looking in? Or is that my call?

[edit]I put a wink smiley in in case people don't get the drama queen joke[/edit]

	21-11-2003 20:49									#260
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Jrabbit doesn't have a monopoly on the DQ title, IMO.

Yes, we're way behind. Yes, SoL is by far the most useful wonder still available in this game - and the way the game has gone, it may be even more important than Lighthouse was.

Even so, we can still win without it. If we lose SoL and get Mike's, Republic/Demo are viable options. We'd have to disband a lot of units, but those disbands would go into Harbours, 'vans, Markets and whatnot.

And if we don't get either of Mike or SoL, we'll still win, though it will be long and painful. But the long arduous games are the most memorable ones, too

We'll probably get SoL, but let's not panic if we don't.

* Six Thousand Year Old Man in a philosophical moment... and we haven't even discovered Philosophy.

	21-11-2003 22:09									#261
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Lest the World Forgets...

quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man Forgot the most important stipulation - win must be by conquest, of course.

It's 1580--AD--on a gigamap where the AI must now have more than a dozen cities each and the Sivians best unit is Chariot...non-vet of course because there are no barracks. And the location of the AI civs is still to be determined for the most part.

The largest city is size 6 and only one can celebrate at 60% lux. Which is to say, bigger cities (thru WLtPD) would be very good but where is the time and $$ to build temples, markets and courthouses and colosseums everywhere?? Though every city would have a start thru all the necessary disbands. There is no time.

SOL is a must have!!

Then, it's time to get rabidly rodentian

Monk thinking High Priest

	21-11-2003 22:51									#262
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Monk - you are becoming quite a rodent

Stu

	21-11-2003 23:05									#263
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Here's hoping these would-be perfectionists see the Light.

Monk

	22-11-2003 04:58									#264
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If duke has the save and is playing this weekend, just move my position on the play list after him, which is kinda what I thought we were going to do last time, but…

must run! No time to read 3 pages of discussion now!

	22-11-2003 10:24									#265
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Fair enough.

duke, then Stray, then back to our regularly scheduled dissection of Jrabbit's turns.

	24-11-2003 14:17									#266
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I've decided to remove this post because it won't have any further bearing on the game and in the slight chance that Straybow hasn't already looked at it then that ought to make things a tiny bit more ethically sound when he plays.

Apologies again all, I'm an .

Last edited by duke o' york on 26-11-2003 at 14:17

	24-11-2003 15:08									#267
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Yay!

	24-11-2003 15:30									#268
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I'm sorry about the rubbish turnlog, but I was trying (and failing) to build the tension. As I said, it was rubbish.
I also didn't achieve much else in my turns, but did some useful exploring and discovered what I hope could be another civ to the northwest. Carthaginians? I started moving one galleon towards the core cities to help with the camel movement, but by the time it got there it wasn't needed after all so that was wasted for ages. I also fiddled about with the galleon to the south of the Zulus because I didn't want to spend money rushing explorers there when I needed to rush camels back home. At one point I judiciously spent all but 2g, and then spent the time between the discover of Demo and the construction of the last camel at 70% cash and 30% science to try and get back as much as possible for big spending!
Well I spent a fortune and haven't achieved a great deal other than the Statue, but orders is orders so I hope that the rest of you can build on what little I managed and we can start taking some Zulu cities!

	24-11-2003 16:47									#269
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york Well I spent a fortune and haven't achieved a great deal other than the Statue

Don't be ashamed:
You managed to build the statue, and THAT deserves congrats

	24-11-2003 20:00									#270
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette Don't be ashamed: You managed to build the statue, and THAT deserves congrats

Now we can FINALLY go to Republic

Well done

Straybow's up.