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Togas
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California
Jun 2002
time: 21:34
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Log of chat with CFC today. No deals made, but some useful chat and information given to both sides. If nothing else, they definately will agree to a Map trade with us.
FortyJ> I doubt we have anything worthy of trading at the moment...
FortyJ> any new techs on your side of things?
Togas> We're getting close to Mapmaking
FortyJ> or should I say, your side of the mountains?
Togas> probably 7-9 turns
FortyJ> that's impressive
Togas> so we'd like to start shopping it around, and also talk map trades, since that option is coming soon
FortyJ> naturally
Togas> are you guys still on Writing?
FortyJ> got that
FortyJ> we're on Mysticism
Togas> gotcha. You guys are actually researching it, instead of trading for it?
FortyJ> we'd love to trade for it
FortyJ> but the cost is probably prohibitive
Togas> we know GC has it. We're going to try to trade once we finish MM
FortyJ> we haven't been able to strike a deal with GC on just about anything
Togas> Why? Do they ask for too much?
FortyJ> incessantly
Togas> hrm.
Togas> How are things going with you guys? Last I heard, they were probing your cities or something
FortyJ> that has stopped
FortyJ> and we're doing fairly well
Togas> did CDG sneak a unit past the chokepoint in the north?
FortyJ> there wasn't much sneaking involved
FortyJ> but yes, they moved one past
Togas> FYI, they're sending a warrior + settler in that direction.
FortyJ> to the choke point?
Togas> yes
FortyJ> figured
FortyJ> it was only a matter of time
Togas> let me go check the map, give you an estimate..
FortyJ> no need
Cheetah^> why not?
Cheetah^> i like estimates 
FortyJ> alright... if you like
FortyJ> 
Cheetah^> as i said :P
Cheetah^> even bether if Togas would supply us with a map of the area, but i guess we will have to wait a few more turns for that :P
Togas> We can get you guys a map after MM is done
Togas> can't trade before that, of course.
Cheetah^> for free?
Cheetah^> i love free maps 
Togas> probably swap
Cheetah^> hm yes
Togas> are you guys interested in a WM swap?
FortyJ> I am... but it would need to be voted on, of course
Togas> same here
Cheetah^> hm. how much of your explored area is of strategical importance to us?
Togas> I'm interested, I'd put it up for a poll
Togas> mostly just the area around the chokepoint leading down to CDG, and the shoreline of the "lake" on the east side
Togas> anyhow, we think their settler can be there 4-5 turns
Togas> if they take a direct route, of course.
Cheetah^> 4-5 turns? k.
Cheetah^> is there a reason they wouldn't take a direct route?
FortyJ> I'd laugh if their warrior died from disease before they got there and we could barricade the point
Cheetah^> haha
Cheetah^> that would be fun
Togas> only if they meet a barb, otherwise, none
Cheetah^> hm yes
Togas> do you guys have any plans to research Horseback Riding?
Togas> we'd like to try to set up some tech exchanges in the future.
Cheetah^> if they meet a barb i think they would fly around a little with the settler though, with a barb coming after it :P
FortyJ> HBR is on the list, but not in the immediate future
Togas> hrm
FortyJ> but soon
Togas> where are you guys going after mysticsm?
Cheetah^> there are certanly members that lobby for it though
FortyJ> can't say
FortyJ> yet
Cheetah^> to the afterlife
FortyJ> we'll let you know once we're there
Togas> I have an idea
Cheetah^> no. that was ceremonial burrial :/
Togas> The following techs are ones we're looking to either purchase or trade for:
Togas> (hopefully you guys might want to research 'em and then we can trade our techs for those)
FortyJ> I say that as a matter of practicality, not just to be mischievous
Cheetah^> that was fast
Togas> Horseback Riding, Philosophy, Math, Currency
Togas> Maybe Literature and Construction. Not sure.
FortyJ> we'll need to talk in about five turns
FortyJ> I think we can arrange Math for you fairly soon
FortyJ> I'll have to check
Cheetah^> hm. it should go
Togas> How soon, because CDG SAYS they're researching it, but they're research is rather slow.
Cheetah^> slow? how so?
Togas> hard to say, they just make excuses about upkeep costs, etc, slowing them down.
FortyJ> sucks being them
FortyJ> we should be able to get you Mysticism and Math within 7 turns
Togas> thing is, we already have mysticism worked out with GC
FortyJ> if you say so
Togas> no one has Horseback Riding or Philosophy
FortyJ> I hope you got a fair price
Togas>
FortyJ> what are you giving them, if I might ask, for Mysticism?
* Cheetah^ wonders what the price was - or if Togas is about to tell us
Cheetah^> *and if*
Togas> We're giving MM for Mysticism and another tech.
Octavian_X> 'another tech?'
Cheetah^> k
FortyJ> hmmm... Math, perhaps?
Togas> Actually, that's not a bad idea, but it's something else. MM for Math + Myst is a fair trade.
FortyJ> so you are getting screwed...
Togas> LOL
FortyJ> thought so
Octavian_X> hehe
Togas> :P
FortyJ> we'd give you Math and Myst for MM even up
Togas> Well, we got writing from them for chump change, so we "owed" them on this one
FortyJ> ah
FortyJ> that's better than we ever got from them
Cheetah^> hm
Togas> we're trying to play nice.
Cheetah^> unfair >:P
FortyJ> aren't we all?
Togas> true
Togas> We'd like to trade you guys mapmaking, but I guess we were just hoping you guys would go for other techs :/
Togas> I'm surprised you guys don't have horseback riding yet, since you UU is horse upgrade.
Octavian_X> Not really. 
Togas> any chance of you guys getting Horseback Riding or Philosophy in the near future?
Octavian_X> I think HBR is somewhere up there, due to our UU
Togas> we're trying to decide which of those 2 to research next
Cheetah^> hm
Togas> bottom line: We'd rather research the stuff you guys Don't research, so that we can trade you.
Cheetah^> of course
Cheetah^> there is a lot of discussions about researching, but HBR will come before philosophy
Cheetah^> or
Togas> gotcha
Cheetah^> that is my opinion at least
Cheetah^> it could change if a majority want something different...
Togas> Sounds like you guys already have math
Togas> so we might have a deal if you guys can get Horseback Riding done, and give us HBR + Math for Mapmaking. Just depends on if you can get it to us before CDG finishes.
Octavian_X> Seems a bit light on your end...
Togas> Mapmaking = 12
Togas> Math = 8
Togas> Horseback = 5
Togas> So it's 1 point off.
Togas> but there's no tech that = 13, really
Cheetah^> hm yes
Octavian_X> I tend not to look at game tech values for PBEMs
Togas> We could toss in a WM for WM trade. You guys would get the map of several civs in exchange for only your map
Octavian_X> That would change my mind.
Cheetah^> Octavian_X: tech values tell something of how long time is required to research a tech though...
Togas> the only fair way to do these trades is to agree to use a common value, and the editor value = research required to complete the tech.
Cheetah^> we would use more time than they on researching those two techs, if we got the same number of research beakers
Octavian_X> Though, in PBEM games I prioritize on my own feelings of usefulness
Togas> everyone has their own feelings about tech. We figure the editor values give you a generally fair trade.
Cheetah^> yes - i do to. but tech values tell how long time it takes to research, and that is another good way to value techs
Cheetah^> just a thought - if the 12 = 13 deal will be discussed/proposed
later, maybe we could add some gold to that trade
Cheetah^> hm
Cheetah^> not good
Togas> We'll toss in the WM trade. Our WM shows more than yours, that oughta even it out.
Cheetah^> that means im the only one here :/
Cheetah^> hm. how do you know? and what if what we see is more valuable? :P
Togas> true, all I know is we have a couple civs in our map
Togas> you guys are trapped behind chokepoints, with no maps of them.
Cheetah^> hm
Cheetah^> good point
Cheetah^> that is absolutely a trade to look into
FortyJ> how do you know you're not the one trapped behind the chokepoints?
Togas> LOL
Togas> we're actually pinned in by CDG
Cheetah^> thats another way of putting it
Togas> They built cities to block us 
Cheetah^> heheh
Togas> those bastards!
Cheetah^> cities?
Cheetah^> they're building cities to block you of now?
Togas> they have a very agressive city placement style.
Cheetah^> hm
FortyJ> I didn't think they could have that many...
Cheetah^> you cant tell something already?
FortyJ> from their score cheetah
Cheetah^> i was asking Togas though, if he could tell something from the map about cities etc
FortyJ> ah
FortyJ> n/m
FortyJ>
Cheetah^> understood
Cheetah^> Togas: you want to tell a little? number of cities? sizes? do they build temples to expand borders? place warriors in your way?
Octavian_X> back
Togas> I don't want to talk too much about it now. I'd rather keep the value of the map up.
FortyJ> drat
Octavian_X> oh well. -_-
Togas> but we do have a map of their whole nation.
Togas> we even got an embasy shot included in the WM
Octavian_X> ohh...
FortyJ> sounds like Monty Hall
FortyJ> lllllet's make a deal!
Octavian_X> hehe
Togas> I'll throw in this Toaster if you act now!
FortyJ> alright... I need to head home
FortyJ> nice chatting with you togas
Togas> good to chat with you, too
Togas> Please post our offer to your people
FortyJ> and thanks for the heads-up re: the Elucidian settler
Cheetah^> nice chat
Togas> and please note: CDG claims they are working on Math...
FortyJ> which offer is that?
Togas> so we might make a deal with them if they finish it soon
Togas> Math + HBR + WM for MM + WM.
Cheetah^> understood
Cheetah^> hm
Octavian_X> sounds good...
Togas>
FortyJ> We'll look into it, but I don't think we're gonna have HBR in time for that deal
Cheetah^> and a little gold? =)
FortyJ> anyway... nice chatting
Togas> Hopefully you guys can get it before they work out a deal with us
Cheetah^> yup
FortyJ> see ya round
Togas> keep in touch
Octavian_X> See you later, 40J
Cheetah^> bye everyone
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WhiteBandit
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Southern California
Jul 2002
time: 21:34
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Talked with History Buff on ICQ last night (though poly was down so I didn't have a chance to post the logs)
All times are in Pacific.
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(16:03:17) History Buff: havent got that bit on yet, but Lucky wants me to tell you to keep your warrior right where he is until he is allowed passage through CDG. I'll pass the tech info on immediately
(16:04:03) WhiteBandit: ok awesome
(16:04:13) WhiteBandit: can you guys forward me the NAP stuff so i can copy it and send it to Mongoose?
(16:04:30) WhiteBandit: basically just the agreement that says "ratified by GCA"
(16:05:56) History Buff: ok
(16:06:09) WhiteBandit: sweet! thanks
(16:09:35) History Buff: ok, as for the tech idea, we'l;l decide on the two proposals ASAP
(16:10:52) WhiteBandit: ok sounds good
(16:12:48) History Buff: snet the aggreed NAP extension to your GC PM box
(16:12:58) WhiteBandit: awesome!
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Then I had this this morning:
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(16:44:00) History Buff: ok, as for the tech trade, we'll stick with the original HBR, but we would also be interested in aquiring Code Of Laws or Liturature.
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And a PM from him with their copy of the ratified NAP agreement.
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From: History Buff
To: WhiteBandit
Posted: Fri May 23, 2003 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: NAP Agreement extension
ok, the aggreement, with my Signature
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Non-Aggression Pact between Apolyton and GCA:
In the interest of peace and future cooperation, to ensure our security and friendship, the nations of Apolyton and The Gamecatcher Alliance glady agree to the following:
There shall be no war or conflict between us. Our units shall not attack each other, nor shall they enter or come within 1 tile of the cultural borders of the other party without permission. Nor shall our units interfere with the travel and movement of each other outside of these borders.
This agreement shall last 30 turns after it is ratified by both parties. This agreement shall be open for renegotiation after 25 turns have passed
This agreement shall not be implied in any way to create an alliance between GCA and Apolyton. This agreement is a pledge between both of our nations to keep the peace and to not engage in hostilities of any kind with each other.
In the event that war is declared on or by any nation that Apolyton or GCA is in contact with, this agreement may be re-negotiated upon the agreement of both parties.
WhiteBandit
Signed in the GCA
History Buff, Acting Science Minister and Ambassador to Apolyton
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BigFree
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Acampo, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:34
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CHAT LOG: 05-28-03 all times PST: With CDG
quote:
[12:25] * Louis_XXIV has joined #ISDGFAMTALKS
[12:25] BigFree> hey there
[12:25] Louis_XXIV> 4Hi?
[12:25] Louis_XXIV> Hi
[12:25] Togas> greetings
[12:25] BigFree> how are you doing
[12:26] Louis_XXIV> good
[12:26] BigFree> glad to see we can finally get together
[12:26] Louis_XXIV> I'll see if anyone is around for a chat
[12:26] BigFree> cool
[12:27] Louis_XXIV> If not, I'll chat anyway, but I won't be able to confirm anything
[12:28] BigFree> no propblem
[12:28] BigFree> I don't get much freedom either.
[12:29] BigFree> did you download mIRC?
[12:29] BigFree> or is this Java
[12:30] Louis_XXIV> This is Java
[12:30] BigFree> ah
[12:30] Louis_XXIV> its easier on my computer
[12:30] BigFree> that's cool
[12:30] BigFree> I've tried both, but I like mIRC
[12:30] Louis_XXIV> I sent a private message to Kentonio, if he sees it, hopefully he'll stop by
[12:31] BigFree> ok, that would be cool
[12:31] BigFree> how was your long weekend?
[12:31] Louis_XXIV> Not long enough
[12:31] BigFree> LOL
[12:31] BigFree> it's always like that
[12:32] Louis_XXIV> 4I have to finish a ton of stuff for scholl within 2 weeks
[12:32] Louis_XXIV> err- school
[12:32] BigFree> School is out for me, so I'm beig lazy for a while now
[12:32] Louis_XXIV>
[12:32] BigFree> )
[12:32] BigFree> don't be a hater
[12:32] BigFree>
[12:34] Louis_XXIV> Maybe we should start discussing something
[12:34] BigFree> ok
[12:34] BigFree> Thanks for having Morris move, btw
[12:34] Louis_XXIV> np
[12:35] BigFree> he's a cool dude
[12:35] BigFree> we saw you got CB from someone
[12:35] BigFree>
[12:35] Louis_XXIV>
[12:36] Louis_XXIV> Of course, I'm not going to say any more info
[12:36] BigFree> LOL
[12:36] Louis_XXIV> 4Let's just say we are glad we have it
[12:36] BigFree> why, you can trust me,
[12:36] Louis_XXIV>
[12:37] BigFree> Are we on schedule for our tech deal?
[12:37] Louis_XXIV> 4I guess I can't keep my text as red
[12:37] BigFree> nope, it changes back
[12:37] BigFree> so it doesn't annoy people
[12:37] BigFree>
[12:38] * Disconnected
Session Close: Wed May 28 12:38:07 2003
Session Start: Wed May 28 12:40:12 2003
Session Ident: #ISDGFAMTALKS
[12:40] * Now talking in #ISDGFAMTALKS
[12:40] * Topic is 'Welcome CDG member's! Please notify persons in this channel once you get here so we can know that you are here. We have many open channels.'
[12:40] * Set by BigFree on Wed May 28 04:57:42
[12:40] Togas> I'm curious ... how much do we need to debate? It seems that we mostly agree on things, like the Non-Agression Pact, right?
[12:40] BigFree> sorry about that
[12:41] Louis_XXIV> I think we want a border established
[12:42] BigFree> cool
[12:42] Louis_XXIV> Besides the cultural one
[12:42] BigFree> along the same lines as our earlier settling line that run diagonaly?
[12:42] Louis_XXIV> Pretty much
[12:43] Louis_XXIV> I have no objections to it being there
[12:43] Louis_XXIV> I was thinking around that area
[12:43] Togas> where does your team want it?
[12:43] BigFree> How about 7 tiles SW from Apolyton and 5 tiles NE of Elucidia? )
[12:44] Louis_XXIV> I was thinking that it would be either 5 squares from both (like the settler line) or
[12:44] Louis_XXIV> 6 squares (no neutral area)
[12:44] Louis_XXIV> Just a second for me to chack the map and make sure
[12:46] Louis_XXIV> Yeah, that's right
[12:46] Louis_XXIV> 5 squares will leave a border of 2 squares all the way across
[12:47] BigFree> yes 6 would be right in the middle
[12:47] BigFree> we see you have a settler headed to the choke point
[12:47] Togas> Our concern with drawing a line there is that it cuts us off from the chokepoint in the west.
[12:48] Togas> we'd have no access to it at all.
[12:48] Louis_XXIV> Hmm
[12:48] Louis_XXIV> I see your point
[12:49] Louis_XXIV> If we build cities there, you wouldn't have access anyway
[12:49] BigFree> do you think you can let us get a unit by that point before you settle a city there?
[12:50] Louis_XXIV> I'll ask
[12:50] Louis_XXIV> But I make no guarantees
[12:50] BigFree> thanks
[12:50] BigFree> hows the tech research cooming?
[12:51] BigFree> everything on schedule?
[12:51] Louis_XXIV> I think so
[12:51] BigFree> it is for us too
[12:52] Louis_XXIV> I can't remember how long everything will take, so this is just from memory
[12:52] BigFree> you know, we have had a city planned for a long time that sits 7 tiles from Apolyton, not 6.
[12:53] Togas> we want to build cities in the jungle just like you guys.
[12:53] Louis_XXIV> At which point (if you don't mind me asking)
[12:53] BigFree> since you guys have that West choke point, we think it is fair that the line be around 7 tiles, since you guys can settle even further West.
[12:54] BigFree> not to far down the road
[12:54] BigFree> or do you mean where exactly?
[12:54] Louis_XXIV> The second
[12:55] Louis_XXIV> I don't need to know how fast you are expanding?
[12:55] BigFree> ah, not sure if I can give away city planner secrets, they may get mad at me.
[12:55] Louis_XXIV> lol, no problem
[12:56] Louis_XXIV> Just wanted to make sure we aren't planning to build on the same spot
[12:56] BigFree> but you do see that since you guys have that very crucial choke point and more room to expand West from there, that we need a little more for ourselves.
[12:57] Louis_XXIV> I understand your point
[12:57] BigFree> thnaks
[12:57] Togas> by putting a city at that chokepoint you basically make it that no one can travel through there. That's very clever for you, but very frustrating for us.
[12:57] BigFree> LOL
[12:57] Togas> there's lots of land over there we can't expand to.
[12:57] BigFree> we give you guys credit though, you are playing a very good game so far.
[12:57] Louis_XXIV> Thanks
[12:57] BigFree>
[12:58] BigFree> GCA was so happy that Warrior BigFree finaly left theri terr.
[12:58] Louis_XXIV> I'm sure they were
[12:59] BigFree> we will hug that east coast
[13:00] Louis_XXIV> Maybe not, let me chack
[13:00] BigFree> ok
[13:00] Togas> was it east coast or west coast?
[13:00] BigFree> sorry it was west
[13:01] Louis_XXIV> Yeah, west coast
[13:01] Louis_XXIV> East would be problematic
[13:01] BigFree> :embarrased:
[13:01] Louis_XXIV> np
[13:02] Louis_XXIV> As long as the troops move in that direction, you can call that East if you want to
[13:02] BigFree> lol
[13:03] BigFree> whats the prognosis on allowing us that 7 tiles
[13:03] BigFree> just your best "guess"
[13:04] Louis_XXIV> It shouldn't be problems in some areas, others cut it close
[13:04] Togas> or maybe we can get a neutral path to the chokepoint instead.
[13:04] Togas> I'd rather get through the chokepoint than have a couple extra tiles, frankly.
[13:04] Louis_XXIV> Just a sec
[13:05] Louis_XXIV> I know what you mean, and I will talk it over
[13:06] Louis_XXIV> But I can't promise anything at this point
[13:06] BigFree> thanks, we appreciate it
[13:06] BigFree> you guys seem to be in control at this point
[13:06] Louis_XXIV> Sorry, I have to go
[13:06] BigFree> ok, np
[13:07] BigFree> maybe later?
[13:07] Togas> come back soon
[13:07] BigFree> I'll always have this channel
[13:07] BigFree> open
[13:07] Louis_XXIV> I'll stop by if I can get the president to come
[13:07] BigFree> cool
[13:08] BigFree> where can I send a log to for you guys
[13:08] Louis_XXIV> Thanks
[13:08] Louis_XXIV> Are you going to PM it, or do you want my email?
[13:09] BigFree> email
[13:09] Louis_XXIV> epsilon530@aol.com
[13:09] BigFree> cool
[13:09] Louis_XXIV> Ok see ya
[13:09] BigFree> it only fair to give you a log
[13:09] BigFree> adios
[13:09] * Louis_XXIV has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
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BigFree
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Acampo, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:34
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Message from CDG
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The current method is fine, keep along the west coast.
That was my original suggestion, but the other plan became more preferred, as it would keep you further from our capital
However, since you followed the original suggestion, it isn't that big of a deal. I think it is a 5 turn hike and it makes Gamecatcher happy
Sincerely,
Louis XXIV
quote:
I checked my PM's first then I went to our Forums to find out we had already played and sent the turn along before I could post your message to me. We have moved Warrior BigFree NW, to keep him coming up the coast East of Elucidia. That was the latest order's we had previously recieved from you.
Now to think of it, are you sure you wanted us to move East and then NE from then on? Should it have been West and then NW instead from then on? When we had last talked about it you said we were to stay to the "left." If so, it may be good that we played the turn before I recieved this message.
Please let me know, thanks.
BigFree
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ZargonX
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Space
Sep 2002
time: 00:34
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Chatting with Octavian_X of CFC...
quote:
ZargonX> hello everyone!
Octavian_X> Greetings!
ZargonX> How is everything in the land of CFC today
Octavian_X> To what do we owe this honor?
ZargonX> Honor? you flatter me
Octavian_X> hehe
Octavian_X> Oh, everything's the same here...
ZargonX> well, that's not always a bad thing, right?
Octavian_X> It can get bad at some times... GCA isn't a pleasent neighbor
ZargonX> sorry to hear that
ZargonX> always throwing things on your lawn, eh?
ZargonX>
Octavian_X> hehe
Octavian_X> They threw a warrior on our iron...
ZargonX> well now, that's just rude :P
ZargonX> things are getting a little tight down that way, are they?
Octavian_X> It's not a very happy marriage, I'll say that
ZargonX> and it looks like CDG isn't helping out in the north much, either :P
Octavian_X> So, you spotted their settler that settler too?
Octavian_X> Let me rephrase that...
Octavian_X> You spotted CDG's settler also?
ZargonX> yes, and we took a wild guess at where he was headed...
ZargonX> seems like you all are getting the squeeze put on
Octavian_X> I think the random map generator had it in for us when it gave GCA and CDG those damn choke points...
ZargonX> yes, those certainly can suck, as I've learned in many a PBEM...
ZargonX> but, a chokepoint can never kill an empire
Octavian_X> hehe
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and, a little later in the conversation...
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ZargonX> how is the military situation looking on the ground from your view?
Octavian_X> Last screenie I saw, we're equal with all the people we know
Togas> if they're camping on your iron, that pretty much means war.
Octavian_X> We've yet to found the city, the GCA can see our settler
Octavian_X> *the = but
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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:34
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OctavianX came looking for fun...
he got it:
quote:
Session Start: Thu Jun 05 00:20:25 2003
Session Ident: #tigertalks
[00:20] * Now talking in #tigertalks
[00:20] [MasterZen] op me
[00:21] * BigFree sets mode: +o MasterZen
[00:21] * OctavianX has joined #tigertalks
[00:21] [BigFree] hola
[00:21] [OctavianX] nice and secure.
[00:21] [BigFree] yep
[00:22] [BigFree] you two nice boys chat now
[00:22] [BigFree]
[00:22] [MasterZen] hehe
[00:22] [MasterZen] so, tell us your woes
[00:22] [MasterZen] we're all cyber-ears
[00:23] [OctavianX] A stack of three warriors and two spears was spotted three turns away from our settler
[00:23] [OctavianX] Members of that darn Alliance
[00:23] [MasterZen] ouch
[00:23] [MasterZen] is the settler undefended?
[00:23] [OctavianX] no, he's got a nice escort
[00:23] [OctavianX] one or two warriors
[00:24] [OctavianX] Our Emperor should be in soon...
[00:24] [MasterZen] now, I don't know if you want to tell me this, but do you have some sort of "informal" border agreement with them?
[00:25] [OctavianX] We never signed a formal agreement, a terrible mistake on our part
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[00:25] [MasterZen] hello
[00:25] [OctavianX] Hail to the Emperor!
[00:25] [FortyJ] good morning everyone
[00:25] [MasterZen] good night i'd say...
[00:25] [MasterZen] wait.. it is morning...
[00:25] [OctavianX] hehe
[00:25] [MasterZen] oh well, back to the issue
[00:26] [MasterZen] have you guys talked to them about it? I mean, spearmen and warriors threatening a settler is very bad news
[00:26] [MasterZen] and very "undiplomatic" for lack of a better word
[00:27] [OctavianX] Eklektikos remains silent toward us, so we really don't know
[00:27] [FortyJ] we've never had much luck talking to them about anything
[00:27] [MasterZen] that bad...
[00:28] [FortyJ] their proposals to date have been somewhat lopsided
[00:28] [MasterZen] I'd think they are just bullying you around
[00:28] [FortyJ] exactly
[00:28] [MasterZen] gauge your response
[00:28] [OctavianX] And to the hawkish attitude of the majority of the citizenry, and you have a bad combo
[00:28] [OctavianX] *And = add
[00:29] [MasterZen] any past reasons for this grudge?
[00:29] [OctavianX] Not really...
[00:29] [MasterZen] I mean, they seem to get along pretty well with CDG
[00:30] [OctavianX] I was afraid of that...
[00:30] [MasterZen] then again, fear of Immortals is usually reason enough to act friendly
[00:30] [FortyJ] works for me
[00:30] [OctavianX] After the landbridge incident, we've been a bit cold to CDG imho
[00:30] [FortyJ] do you all happen to know how many cities GCA has?
[00:31] [MasterZen] we can "guesstimate" some
[00:31] [FortyJ] fair enough
[00:31] [MasterZen] I don't have the map with me right now
[00:32] [FortyJ] but you all have seen most of their territory?
[00:32] [MasterZen] I would guess 5 minimum, perhaps as much as 7
[00:32] [OctavianX] #$^*
[00:33] [MasterZen] we believe they might have popped a settler at the beginning
[00:33] [OctavianX] I have this terrible feeling now in the pit of my stomach...
[00:33] [MasterZen] perhaps this is going a bit too much but you you guys perhaps consider a map trade in the near future?
[00:34] [OctavianX] We're discussing the trade right now in the forums
[00:34] [MasterZen] sweet
[00:34] [OctavianX] We'ed have to learn how to ride horses to complete the deal...
[00:35] [MasterZen] i'll bring it up, but consider we have mapped out CDG and part of GCA as well as our own land
[00:35] [OctavianX] That's a large factor in our decision-making process
[00:36] [MasterZen] has said proposal been handed out officially to you already?
[00:37] [OctavianX] If its the one from Zargon, yes
[00:38] [FortyJ] bbs... need to get something done
[00:38] [MasterZen] ok cool
[00:39] [MasterZen] if we had each other's maps we would pretty much have the most complete view of the continent
[00:39] [MasterZen] and that is vital for whatever geo-strategic incidents may arise in the future
[00:39] [MasterZen] and the way things are going...
[00:40] [OctavianX] true
[00:40] [OctavianX] We are curious about the world beyond the landbridges...
[00:40] [MasterZen] so are we
[00:40] [MasterZen] that's why we thing a straight map trade is quite fair
[00:40] [MasterZen] *think
[00:41] [OctavianX] You'd go for a straight map-map trade?
[00:42] [MasterZen] IMO most likely
[00:42] [BigFree] plus one BigMac
[00:42] [BigFree]
[00:42] [MasterZen] haha
[00:42] [BigFree] I'm hungry
[00:42] [OctavianX] Would you like fries with that map?
[00:42] [BigFree] yes please, "yum:
[00:43] [MasterZen] and some McImmortals too
[00:45] [MasterZen] just read the proposal for the map...
[00:46] [MasterZen] I belive it would be MM for Math and HBR as a tech deal, as well as our maps
[00:46] [OctavianX] This is the deal we got from Zargon...
[00:46] [OctavianX] We would be intersted in offering you the secrets of Map Making, as well as a copy of our world map...
[00:46] [OctavianX] in exchange for...
[00:46] [OctavianX] The secrets of Mathematics and Horseback Riding, as well as a copy of your own world map.
[00:46] [MasterZen] seems fair
[00:48] [MasterZen] no wonder I hadn't read it, it was posted today :P
[00:48] [MasterZen] (well, yesteday)
[00:48] [OctavianX] hehe
[00:48] [OctavianX] Still, people seem more interested in a map-map trade
[00:48] [MasterZen] no techs?
[00:49] [MasterZen] we'd need MM to trade the maps in the first place
[00:50] [BigFree] May I interupt for a moment and ask how long till you have both of those techs, just an estimate?
[00:50] [MasterZen] you may interrupt if and only if you share your BigMacs with us
[00:50] [BigFree] foget about it!
[00:51] [OctavianX] hehe
[00:51] [BigFree] question withdrawn
[00:51] [MasterZen]
[00:51] [OctavianX] Let me look at my screenshots...
[00:51] [MasterZen] didn't they ever tell you it's nice to share things like BigMacs, maps, and techs? :P
[00:52] [BigFree] Oh yeah, that was my Mom who said that!
[00:52] [MasterZen] wow, your mom plays Civ3!... 
[00:52] [OctavianX] hehe
[00:52] [OctavianX] We'd get HBR in about ten turns
[00:53] [BigFree] she goes by the nick "panag"
[00:53] [OctavianX] lol
[00:53] [BigFree] so, you have Math already?
[00:53] [BigFree] you guys are quick
[00:54] [BigFree] 
[00:54] [OctavianX] no, we can't add yet
[00:54] [BigFree] LOL
[00:54] [OctavianX] Though, if a trade with CDG goes through, we will be able to
[00:54] [BigFree] Ah, you get math from them then...
[00:55] [BigFree] That's cool, we dont care where it comes from.
[00:55] [OctavianX] ok
[00:55] [BigFree] You should see me in the alleys making deals for techs
[00:55] [OctavianX] hehe
[00:56] [MasterZen] he got butt-raped the last time
[00:56] [MasterZen] by some CDG gang-banging thugs...
[00:56] [BigFree] you dad promised not to do it again and he apologized.
[00:56] [MasterZen] hahaha
[00:56] [MasterZen] see Octavian, this is APOLYTON SPIRIT
[00:56] * OctavianX wonders what goes on in Apolyton sometimes...
[00:56] [BigFree] lol
[00:57] [BigFree] I think we know about 3 GCA cities
[00:57] [BigFree] how many do you know of?
[00:57] [OctavianX] Just the one
[00:57] [OctavianX] They stuck in on the landbridge...
[00:57] [BigFree] plus the capitol
[00:57] [MasterZen] 5 confirmed
[00:57] [BigFree] ok
[00:58] [MasterZen] most likely 6 IMO
[01:01] [OctavianX] ...
[01:01] [MasterZen] I wish we popped an ICBM...
[01:02] [OctavianX] I wish I had a doughnut...
[01:03] [BigFree] we can send over dsome bottle rockets
[01:03] [OctavianX] Any chance you'd consider a military alliance against GCA?
[01:03] [MasterZen] well....
[01:04] [MasterZen] see, problem is that we can't really strike directly at GCA
[01:04] [MasterZen] since CDG happens to be in the way
[01:04] [OctavianX] So you'r not directly connected to GCA by land?
[01:04] [BigFree] yes we are
[01:05] [BigFree] but CDG cities are on it
[01:05] [OctavianX] but you need to go through CDG first?
[01:05] [MasterZen] oui
[01:05] [OctavianX] ahhh...
[01:05] [MasterZen] but...
[01:05] [MasterZen] here's the million dollar question:
[01:05] [OctavianX] We were hoping that body of water was just an enclosed lake...
[01:05] [MasterZen] what would CDG do in case of said war?
[01:06] [OctavianX] They're the wildcard
[01:06] [MasterZen] an Immortal-armed wildcard
[01:07] [MasterZen] here's the deal though:
[01:07] [MasterZen] I honesltly think GCA is just ****ing your chain RIGHT NOW
[01:08] [MasterZen] they are trying to see your response, and base future actions on that response
[01:08] [MasterZen] If they are wise of course, which perhaps they aren't
[01:08] [OctavianX] That's always a possibility
[01:08] [MasterZen] this is not to say they will not consider war in the future
[01:08] [MasterZen] however,
[01:08] [MasterZen] 1) are you ready for war?
[01:09] [MasterZen] 2) do you think GCA is ready for war also?
[01:09] [OctavianX] 1) I'm not at liberty to say.
[01:09] [OctavianX] 2) Considering their size, yes
[01:09] [MasterZen] if you answered no to these questions, we would be very "receptive" to gradually building relations between our teams to the point of securing some sort of balance of power in the continent
[01:10] [MasterZen] take that statement as you wish
[01:10] [OctavianX] That's ironic
[01:10] [OctavianX] GCA's landbridge city is named
[01:10] [OctavianX] Balance of Power
[01:10] [MasterZen] haha
[01:10] [BigFree] LOL
[01:11] [OctavianX] We'll keep that statement in mind
[01:11] [MasterZen] good
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[01:12] [ZargonX] greetings all!
[01:12] [MasterZen] ahoy
[01:12] [BigFree] hola
[01:13] [OctavianX] Hello
[01:13] [ZargonX] ah, came to hang out on our side of things tonight, eh Octavian
[01:13] [OctavianX] Not much choice, since everyone else is here.
[01:16] [MasterZen] yeah, like 4 people in the main chat room... hehe
[01:17] [ZargonX] yes, thins have been quite slow lately...
[01:17] [ZargonX] all these server ups and downs...
[01:17] [ZargonX] I think it's scared people away
[01:17] [OctavianX] There are 11 people in #civfanatics.
[01:18] [ZargonX] ah, but is anyone saying anything?
[01:18] [ZargonX] that's the real test
[01:19] [OctavianX] Well, right now it's an idling-fest.
[01:19] [ZargonX] those are always hours of entertainment :P
[01:21] [MasterZen] this is turning into an idling-fest too
[01:23] [MasterZen] so, perhaps we can summarize the main points and discuss them in our respective forums:
[01:23] [MasterZen] 1) map/tech deal
[01:23] [MasterZen] 2) "strenghtening of relationship" to put it in diplomatic terms
[01:24] * MasterZen winks
[01:24] * OctavianX nods
[01:24] [OctavianX] You don't mind if I post a log of this chat, do you?
[01:24] [MasterZen] of course not
[01:24] [MasterZen] standard operating procedure unless indicated otherwise
[01:24] [ZargonX] first rule of diplomacy: write down everything
[01:24] [MasterZen] and I see no fine print
[01:24] [OctavianX] hehe
[01:33] [MasterZen] well, shall I consider this chat done? I ask so I can post the log before I go to sleep in 10 minutes...
[01:33] [OctavianX] I think we can consider it so
[01:33] [MasterZen] ok
[01:35] [OctavianX] I'm actually off for a midnight snack
[01:35] [ZargonX] mmm... midnight snack...
[01:35] [ZargonX] of course, I guess it would be a 2:30 am snack for me...
[01:35] [ZargonX] but what can you do?
[01:39] [ZargonX] off to sleep for me!
[01:39] [ZargonX] 'night all!
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[01:57] [FortyJ] that took way too long
[01:57] [FortyJ] I'm off to bed too
[01:57] [FortyJ] I hope this chat went well after I left
[01:57] [MasterZen] yep it went pretty well
[01:57] [FortyJ] good
[01:57] [FortyJ] I look forward to more of them soon
[01:57] [MasterZen] Octavian said he will post it in your forums
[01:57] [FortyJ] excellent
[01:57] [FortyJ] have a good night (what's left of it anyway)
[01:57] [MasterZen] sure, anytime you need a chat ask Zargon or me
[01:58] [FortyJ] likewise
[01:58] [MasterZen] great!
[01:58] [FortyJ] you can pretty much reach me during the day in #demogame_CFC_Embassy
[01:58] [MasterZen] is that room here or at CFC's server?
[01:58] [FortyJ] CFC's
[01:58] [MasterZen] ok
[01:58] [FortyJ] irc.irc-chat.net I think
[01:58] [FortyJ] adios
[01:58] [MasterZen] adios
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[03:03] * Disconnected
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Here is the chat that Trip and the boys arranged. Check it out, some interesting developments:
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Session Start: Thu Jun 05 21:07:20 2003
Session Ident: #fiddlesticks
[21:07:20] * Now talking in #fiddlesticks
[21:07:20] [Trip-] blast
[21:07:23] [Trip-] no password :P
[21:07:24] [WhiteBandit] fiddlesticks? haha
[21:07:25] [Trip-] err
[21:07:26] [WhiteBandit] you are so funny
[21:07:28] [Trip-] scuse me
[21:07:30] [WhiteBandit] you can set a password now
[21:07:30] [Trip-]
[21:07:31] * Retrieving #fiddlesticks info...
[21:07:49] * Trip- sets mode: +k zoinks
[21:07:51] [Trip-] there we go
[21:07:54] [OctavianX] hehe
[21:07:54] [Trip-] forgot to hit the check box
[21:07:59] [WhiteBandit] set as private as well
[21:08:01] [ZargonX] so, what's up Octavian?
[21:08:03] [WhiteBandit] private/secret
[21:08:07] * Trip- sets mode: +ps
[21:08:08] [WhiteBandit] that way people can't whois us :P
[21:08:10] [WhiteBandit] there we go!
[21:08:10] [Trip-] yeah yeah
[21:08:14] [OctavianX]
[21:08:20] * Trip- sets mode: +t
[21:08:21] [Trip-] :P
[21:08:31] [OctavianX] Well, CDG said they would be on board for a war against GCA if they attacked
[21:08:40] [WhiteBandit] you can set l to 666 for all i care :P
[21:08:44] [OctavianX] And would be willing to let you guys through for an attack
[21:08:44] [ZargonX] an attack against you?
[21:08:49] [Trip-] LoL
[21:08:52] [Trip-] GCA, I thin he means
[21:08:55] [OctavianX] yes
[21:09:13] [OctavianX] GCA has a stack of troops near us, and we're rather disturbed
[21:09:22] [ZargonX] still the spear stack from before?
[21:09:27] [Trip-] do you know what they plan to do with it? :P
[21:09:29] * WhiteBandit is chattign with their ambassador as we speak!
[21:09:30] [WhiteBandit] lol
[21:09:40] [WhiteBandit] i don't think he'll tell me if i ask though
[21:09:45] * WhiteBandit is working the small talk angle
[21:09:54] * Togas (~tom_ogas@c-66-229-64-236.we.client2.attbi.com) has joined #fiddlesticks
[21:09:57] [Togas] hello
[21:10:09] [OctavianX] I'm beginning to feel out of place.
[21:10:14] [ZargonX] heh, sorry
[21:10:18] [ZargonX] we get excited by visitors
[21:10:19] [Togas] yeah, where's the rest of the CFC guys!
[21:10:29] [OctavianX] All asleep...
[21:10:37] [Trip-] they're always gone when I stop by
[21:10:41] [BigFree] you are sandwhiched.
[21:10:46] [WhiteBandit] i think it actually means us at poly have no lives since we're on all the time
[21:10:54] [OctavianX] lol
[21:11:08] [Togas] don't mind me so much, I'm busy writing a reply in an unrelated flame thread...
[21:11:13] [Trip-] LoL
[21:11:14] [OctavianX] hehe
[21:11:33] [ZargonX] so, did CDG say they would join in a war, or simply give us passage to fight?
[21:11:48] [OctavianX] They would join in and give a RoP
[21:12:23] [ZargonX] gotcha
[21:12:28] * Togas grins
[21:12:46] [OctavianX] So you'd be on board to?
[21:13:31] [Togas] We're going to have to discuss this one, it's a pretty big proposal.
[21:14:12] [OctavianX] Of course, we're not even sure if GCA would attack
[21:14:23] [ZargonX] of course
[21:14:27] [ZargonX] but troop stacks are always something to worry about
[21:14:33] [ZargonX] especially when they're heading towards you
[21:14:39] [Togas] very true
[21:14:49] [Trip-] have you talked at all with them recently?
[21:15:29] [OctavianX] Just today, actually
[21:15:40] [OctavianX] 7 hours ago
[21:16:01] [Trip-] what happened with that?
[21:16:47] [WhiteBandit] just for my own clarification, do you guys happen to have a timeline you are looking at?
[21:16:51] [OctavianX] Kentonio said CDG would back us up is we were attacked, and they would be willing to let you guys passed the landbridge to participate in an ofensive
[21:17:02] [OctavianX] Let me see...
[21:17:59] [OctavianX] an expcert from a Presidential report...
[21:17:59] [OctavianX] Our settler is one move away from its final destination, which means we should have our next city in 2 turns! Meanwhile, within 3 tiles of our settler/spearman team are 3 GCA warriors and 2 GCA spearmen.
[21:18:36] [Togas] that's not just scouting...
[21:18:51] [Togas] however, we couldn't pass thru the chokepoint as their city blocks it
[21:19:57] [OctavianX] They didn't tell us that city was there...
[21:20:07] [OctavianX] I just saw it on our maps.
[21:20:26] [ZargonX] they were saying they'd let us through to the south, also?
[21:21:12] [OctavianX] Is there another route other than the landbride where our nations met?
[21:21:22] [Trip-] between us and GCA?
[21:21:42] [OctavianX] yes
[21:22:16] [Trip-] well, there's a few CDG cities
[21:22:53] * OctavianX wishes he knew what the rest of the continent looked like...
[21:22:56] [Trip-] it seems that our neighbors are quite anxious to block everyone's progress
[21:23:08] [Trip-] we've been penned in by CDG
[21:23:18] [Trip-] and GCA seems anxious to block progress also
[21:23:23] [ZargonX] cornering people seems to be the name of this game in general
[21:23:29] [Trip-] why can't we all scout together happily :P
[21:23:35] [Togas]
[21:23:35] [OctavianX] hehe
[21:24:12] [Trip-] our view is actually quite limited
[21:24:20] [Trip-] though you've heard some about that
[21:24:32] [Trip-] both CDG and GCA have placed their cities in a way to block passage
[21:24:44] [Trip-] it's like a giant roadblock :P
[21:25:05] [ZargonX] though, placing to block may be sound strategically... but sometimes it costs you a useful city :P
[21:25:16] [Trip-] we'll let them worry about that though
[21:25:59] [WhiteBandit] we'll culture flip it later
[21:26:04] [OctavianX] then you can attack GCA directly from your standpoint?
[21:26:20] [Trip-] well, we'd need passage through CDG
[21:26:30] [Trip-] which may be why CDG mentioned that they would allow us a RoP
[21:27:13] [OctavianX] Good
[21:27:52] [Togas] if CDG is willing to give us an RoP then we'll definately discuss this idea.
[21:27:56] [Togas] if not, it's a moot point.
[21:27:58] [Trip-] yeah
[21:28:10] [ZargonX] WB, are you still speaking with CDG?
[21:28:11] [Trip-] CDG might not be too happy to see us marching through with a big stack :P
[21:28:24] [WhiteBandit] eh, not much, just random chat
[21:28:33] [WhiteBandit] trying to find out if History Buff is old enough to like girl's or not
[21:28:39] [Trip-] LOL
[21:28:40] [Trip-] ehhh..
[21:28:48] * Trip- sets mode: +ooo BigFree OctavianX Togas
[21:28:49] [OctavianX] 12° I got the Powwa stick! 12°
[21:28:52] * Trip- sets mode: +oo WhiteBandit ZargonX
[21:29:01] [Trip-] Oct: anything else you can tell us about what's going on?
[21:29:33] [OctavianX] FortyJ should be here in a moment...
[21:29:43] [Trip-] okay, great
[21:29:54] [ZargonX] trying to even the numbers out, eh?
[21:29:56] [ZargonX]
[21:30:00] [OctavianX] He'd be in a better position to tell you. I'm just the domextic advisor...
[21:30:46] * FortyJ (~fortyj@user-1121heg.dsl.mindspring.com) has joined #fiddlesticks
[21:30:55] [WhiteBandit] yeah, MZ is our Domexican Advisor too
[21:30:56] [WhiteBandit]
[21:30:57] [OctavianX] Hail the Emperor of Fanatikou!
[21:30:58] [FortyJ] well, well
[21:31:03] [FortyJ] looks like a fun time in here
[21:31:10] * WhiteBandit sets mode: +o FortyJ
[21:31:11] [FortyJ] 04,00°05,00 Have no fear... 04,00FortyJ05,00 is here! 04,00°
[21:31:18] * Trip- fears not
[21:31:19] [FortyJ] greetings friends from Apolyton
[21:31:22] [OctavianX] hehe
[21:31:31] [Trip-] hiya
[21:31:36] [Togas] greetings to you
[21:31:45] [FortyJ] you're never really anybody until you get a really cool auto-op script 12;4)1
[21:32:27] [OctavianX] hehe
[21:32:30] * WhiteBandit has a quote script
[21:31:20] [WhiteBandit] shall we revisit Trip's past?
[21:31:23] searching quote.irc for "Trip" ... 23 matches found
[21:31:35] [Trip-] :P
[21:31:40] [Trip-] anyways
[21:31:51] [WhiteBandit]
[21:31:53] [FortyJ] what's the topic of conversation tonight?
[21:31:55] [BigFree] (04/06/2003) [Trip] yes, I admit it :P [Trip] I'm a girl :P [WhiteBandit] i knew it! [WhiteBandit] trip! show me some tits! [WhiteBandit] DCC me any pics you have [Trip] man boobies ;P [Trip] what my roomate likes to call "meat flaps" [ q uote.irc]
[21:31:59] [WhiteBandit] LOL
[21:32:01] [WhiteBandit] dammit
[21:32:04] [WhiteBandit] the quotes work both ways
[21:32:04] [OctavianX] ok...
[21:32:06] [Togas] LOL!
[21:32:26] [Trip-] just fostering good relations...
[21:32:27] [Trip-] errr...
[21:32:29] searching quote.irc for "bigfree" ... 15 matches found
[21:32:32] * Trip- tries to cover up unsuccessfully
[21:32:34] [Trip-] anyways...
[21:32:36] [WhiteBandit] (04/01/2003) [BigFree] "Hey trip, you looking mighty cute in 'dem jeans!" ; [Trip] BF: that's the scariest thing you've ever told me [ q uote.irc]
[21:32:41] [BigFree] HAHAHA
[21:32:49] [ZargonX] we were discussing the CDG offer of joint warfare...
[21:33:01] * FortyJ wonders what he walked in on...
[21:33:06] [OctavianX] Of course, assuming GCA attacks soon
[21:33:10] [WhiteBandit] yes, we at apolyton are close...
[21:33:11] [WhiteBandit] anyways
[21:33:12] [ZargonX] of course
[21:33:31] [FortyJ] CDG brought this up to you?
[21:33:32] [ZargonX] I am to understand that, if GCA attacks you in the near future,
[21:33:43] [OctavianX] Well, I did, I guess...
[21:33:44] [ZargonX] CDG agreed to join in a war against them, and give us a ROP to attack as well
[21:33:54] [ZargonX] am I correct in that?
[21:34:31] [FortyJ] well, first let me say that this is a tad premature
[21:34:45] [FortyJ] we don't know GCA's intentions just yet
[21:34:47] [ZargonX] yes, as this all hinges on the assumption of a GCA attack...
[21:35:06] [ZargonX] but, with a stack of troops heading to you, it's never a bad time to speculate...
[21:35:17] [FortyJ] and I for one am still clinging to the threads of hope for peace
[21:35:37] [ZargonX] have your communications with GCA broken down?
[21:36:02] [FortyJ] they never really got up and running
[21:36:06] [ZargonX] so I heard
[21:36:16] [FortyJ] their initial offers for trades were somewhat lopsided
[21:36:37] [ZargonX] yes, I heard they were quite disagreeable in general
[21:37:02] [ZargonX] they've made no mention to you their intent with the troops?
[21:37:03] [Trip-] Octavian said that you talked with them earlier today
[21:37:10] [FortyJ] but in answer to your initial query...
[21:37:45] [FortyJ] there has been some suggestions that we could form a triple alliance to counter any invasion by GCA troops
[21:38:04] [FortyJ] as such a move on their part would pose a significant threat to the stability of our entire continent
[21:38:11] [ZargonX] very true
[21:38:47] [ZargonX] and CDG seemed generally pleased with the proposed arrangement?
[21:38:50] * Octavian_X (~thesim109@coin-as3-41.coin.org) has joined #fiddlesticks
[21:39:04] [ZargonX] uh-oh... two Octavians!
[21:39:08] [Octavian_X] Whoa...
[21:39:18] [Octavian_X] Which one is real? (dramatic chord)
[21:39:26] * OctavianX (~thesim109@coin-as3-06.coin.org) Quit (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Octavian_X)))
[21:39:27] [FortyJ] well, there was never any real discussion about such a triple alliance
[21:39:42] [ZargonX] just some idle speculation?
[21:39:54] [FortyJ] but it was broached and they seemed amenable
[21:40:29] [FortyJ] of course, details would need to be ironed out, and as I stated, this is all still premature
[21:40:32] [Trip-] did you approach CDG about this issue, or did they?
[21:40:41] [FortyJ] not sure... it wasn't me
[21:40:53] [Octavian_X] croxis initiated the discussion with Ken
[21:41:02] [FortyJ] it was our ambassador that posted the chat summary
[21:41:03] [ZargonX] ah
[21:41:08] [FortyJ] right
[21:41:08] [FortyJ] 12:4)1
[21:41:22] [Togas] at least you guys actually talk to Ken.... we always get stuck with Louis
[21:41:41] [WhiteBandit] hey!
[21:41:48] [WhiteBandit] i would trade any of those over history buff
[21:41:51] [WhiteBandit] this dude is like 12
[21:41:53] [ZargonX] if you don't mind my asking, how far is the GCA stack from your units?
[21:41:57] [WhiteBandit] i think panag would be more fun to talk to
[21:41:58] [WhiteBandit]
[21:42:03] [Octavian_X] hehe
[21:42:19] [Octavian_X] What is it now, three turns?
[21:42:39] [FortyJ] GCA has at least 5 units within 3 turns of us
[21:42:50] [ZargonX] and no settlers being escorted...
[21:42:52] [FortyJ] coincidentally, they have the turn now 12;4)1
[21:43:00] [FortyJ] correct, all military units
[21:43:04] [ZargonX] so unless they're planning to blockade a 5-tile long stretch of land...
[21:43:10] [ZargonX] or just posturing
[21:43:21] [ZargonX] you should have an answer within 3-5 turns as to what their intentions are
[21:43:26] [FortyJ] naw... I think they're trying to cherry-pick our iron deposits
[21:43:29] [Trip-] how far south of the CDG chokepoint is this occurring?
[21:43:33] [FortyJ] but they can't get them all
[21:43:40] [FortyJ] 12:4D1
[21:43:49] [ZargonX] that in itself is a pretty aggressive act
[21:44:08] [FortyJ] quite true, but understandable if they don't have any themselves
[21:44:22] [FortyJ] which is unlikely, but hope springs eternal
[21:44:23] [FortyJ] 12;4)1
[21:44:35] [Octavian_X] Considering their size, I would assume there's some over there...
[21:45:07] [ZargonX] if they move closer, are you going to contact them to find out what's up?
[21:45:11] [ZargonX] their answer could be quite telling
[21:45:35] [FortyJ] well, we did rename one of our warriors to "Kindly remove your warrior from our iron deposit"
[21:45:47] [FortyJ] I don't know if they noticed yet
[21:46:15] [ZargonX] heh, that's a good way of getting a message across..
[21:46:21] [Octavian_X] They do have the game now...
[21:46:26] [Trip-] I rename all of my cities in my PBEM games :P
[21:47:02] [Togas] I have to leave (have houseguests)
[21:47:05] [FortyJ] well, I have to get back to work actually
[21:47:07] [FortyJ] 12:4)1
[21:47:09] [Togas] please continue and take care
[21:47:13] [FortyJ] likewise
[21:47:19] [ZargonX] thanks for stopping by, FortyJ!
[21:47:24] [ZargonX] let us know how things develop!
[21:47:24] [FortyJ] as always, a pleasure chatting with you all
[21:47:27] * Trip- sets mode: +o Octavian_X
[21:47:29] * Togas (~tom_ogas@c-66-229-64-236.we.client2.attbi.com) Quit (Quit: )
[21:47:29] [Octavian_X] 12° Mmmm... Doughnuts... 12°
[21:47:49] [FortyJ] here's to a continued prosperity and friendly relations between our nations
[21:47:57] [ZargonX] I'll drink to that
[21:47:58] [Octavian_X] Cheers!
[21:48:03] * ZargonX toasts
[21:48:06] [Trip-]
[21:48:14] [Trip-] a pleasure talking with you gentlemen
[21:48:15] [FortyJ] Oct... do you have a good log of this chat (with all your exits and enters)?
[21:48:26] [Octavian_X] yes, I do
[21:48:28] [FortyJ] ok good
[21:48:34] [FortyJ] you'll post it then?
[21:48:53] [Octavian_X] There's a small hole, but I will post it
[21:48:59] [FortyJ] good and thanks
[21:49:25] [FortyJ] Gentlemen, I am again pleased and encouraged by your willingness to work with us towards a better future for both our nations.
[21:49:33] [FortyJ] I look forward to more discussions such as these in the future
[21:49:41] [ZargonX] We hope to hear from you again soon!
[21:49:43] [FortyJ] and I bid you all adieu
[21:49:49] [ZargonX] Hopefully with peaceful news
[21:49:51] [Trip-] 'Til lata
[21:49:54] [FortyJ] Amen to that
[21:49:55] [ZargonX] so long!
[21:50:00] * FortyJ (~fortyj@user-1121heg.dsl.mindspring.com) Quit (Quit: )
[21:50:26] [ZargonX] So GCA has the turn now...
[21:50:35] [ZargonX] that means another turn closer to truth
[21:50:36] [Trip-] sounds like it
[21:51:28] [Octavian_X] The moment of truth is a few days away...
[21:51:53] [ZargonX] if you'll all excuse me for one moment...
[21:55:37] [ZargonX] er... did anyone from 'poly log this?
[21:55:53] [WhiteBandit] i got one
[21:55:54] [Octavian_X] hehe
[21:55:59] [WhiteBandit] say something intelligent
[21:56:03] [WhiteBandit] i'll put it in bold
[21:56:04] [WhiteBandit] in fact
[21:56:07] [WhiteBandit] you can do it for me
[21:56:16] [WhiteBandit] just use the correct brackets like this
[21:56:27] [WhiteBandit] like i am such a sexy *****
[21:56:30] [ZargonX] hold on, I need to think of something good...
[21:56:37] [WhiteBandit] im afraid that is now part of the official log, sorry zargon
[21:56:44] [ZargonX] dang
[21:56:50] [ZargonX] missed my shot
[21:57:20] [ZargonX] now everyone on the team will know what I hack I am as a diplomat :P
[21:57:23] [ZargonX] (don't log that)
[21:57:29] [ZargonX]
[21:57:32] [Octavian_X] lol
[21:57:38] [WhiteBandit] oh wait!
[21:57:41] [WhiteBandit] i was making fun of panag
[21:57:44] [WhiteBandit] i should edit that out
[21:57:49] [ZargonX] lol!
[21:57:55] [Octavian_X]
[21:58:07] [ZargonX] leave it in, he'll just report the thread
[21:58:12] [WhiteBandit] lol!
[21:58:30] [BigFree] HAHA
[22:03:18] [ZargonX] right, time for me to do something useful in the last hour before bedtime...
[22:03:29] [ZargonX] namely, play MZO's new Boot Camp scenario...
[22:03:34] [Octavian_X] speaking of bedtime...
[22:03:40] [WhiteBandit] i'm going to... play guitar or something
[22:03:54] [ZargonX] you've got 7 to choose from, right?
[22:03:55] [ZargonX]
[22:04:00] [WhiteBandit] lol
[22:04:04] [WhiteBandit] yeah
[22:04:08] [WhiteBandit] which one has been negelected
[22:04:17] [ZargonX] heh
[22:04:21] [ZargonX] well, shout if anyone needs me
[22:04:23] [Octavian_X] It's been a pleasure. Good night, gentlemen
[22:04:25] * Octavian_X (~thesim109@coin-as3-41.coin.org) Quit (Quit: )
[22:04:40] * ZargonX is now known as ZargonX|playing_civ_
Session Close: Thu Jun 05 22:16:14 2003
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Southern California
Jul 2002
time: 21:34
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Trying to dig for some info from GCA... all times are Pacific
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WhiteBandit (08:18 PM) :
hey!
WhiteBandit (08:18 PM) :
would you guys be up for a chat right now?
History Buff (08:20 PM) :
um, well, maybe for a few minutes, not for too long
History Buff (08:20 PM) :
do you have anything you need discussed?
WhiteBandit (08:21 PM) :
give me one second! reading a post
WhiteBandit (08:21 PM) :
is lucky around anywhere or is it past his bedtime?
History Buff (08:22 PM) :
well, it'd something like 4 in the morning in Germany
WhiteBandit (08:22 PM) :
basically, just checking to see what is up in your neighborhood. we haven't talked much lately
WhiteBandit (08:22 PM) :
true! so he should wake up soon! early bird catches the worm
History Buff (08:22 PM) :
well, we havent really had much to say really. CDG hasnt done anything too close to us, so. . .
WhiteBandit (08:23 PM) :
that's good, things have seemed to have cooled off over here too
History Buff (08:24 PM) :
how is CFC behaving towards you?
WhiteBandit (08:24 PM) :
some of their cities placements still baffle us of course (not in an agressive sense, more like a "what were you thinking!" sense
History Buff (08:24 PM) :
really, mayubve they just have settlers they had might as well use. They building in deserts and jungles or somethign?
WhiteBandit (08:24 PM) :
so far, it has been pretty nuetral
WhiteBandit (08:25 PM) :
well the land isn't the greatest, but they are placing random cities all over the place it seems like
WhiteBandit (08:26 PM) :
regarding CFC, nothing much to report with them really, but that is what we wanted to check up on
WhiteBandit (08:26 PM) :
they are kinda stiring the pot it seems like and telling us they are annoyed with various GCA actions... nothing specific though
WhiteBandit (08:28 PM) :
scratch that! togas just informed me that he recently chatted with CFC and they noted that they had a settler that they felt was threatened!
History Buff (08:30 PM) :
they thinnk we will kill it? meh. Damn CFC. They treat us like AIs, and try block us, and then compain when we try to explore. :roll:
WhiteBandit (08:30 PM) :
haha, i don't think they mentioned that, i haven't read togas' chat log yet. togas indicated that they said they felt their settler was threatened!
WhiteBandit (08:34 PM) :
yeah, we just weren't sure what the situation was down south
History Buff (09:02 PM) :
to tell the truth, we arent either
WhiteBandit (09:02 PM) :
hehe oh no!
WhiteBandit (09:05 PM) :
how come you feel that way though?
WhiteBandit (09:05 PM) :
hell! you guys can see down there, we can't! all we get is third party stories passed down... it's like the movies over here, only they haven't been invented yet
History Buff (09:24 PM) :
well, problem is, CFC keeps telling us they are only defending themselces, but they wont sign anyting, and they are sending guys to "our" part of the land.
WhiteBandit (09:25 PM) :
you guys haven't worked out a border agreement or anything?
History Buff (09:25 PM) :
not really
WhiteBandit (09:25 PM) :
eh man... are they demanding too much or what?
History Buff (09:26 PM) :
well, IIRC, they just wont lets us have anything. They wont agree to stay one square away, and (agian only memory here) they had some beef about us exploring or expanding in that area.
WhiteBandit (09:27 PM) :
sounds tense, do you guys have cities right next to each other then?
History Buff (09:31 PM) :
well, we're not there yet. . . but . .
History Buff (09:31 PM) :
how close are oyu to CDG?
WhiteBandit (09:32 PM) :
north of them roughly, though they have control of a chokepoint to our west that blocks us from CFC
WhiteBandit (09:32 PM) :
our cities are still a decent ways apart as well
History Buff (09:32 PM) :
well, our big worry is CFC. We hope that they will saty peace ful. we'd rather just sit back and develop
WhiteBandit (09:34 PM) :
yeah i can imagine... how come you two have bad relations?
WhiteBandit (09:34 PM) :
wasn't there some old animosity because some GCA members are former CFC members or something? i'm not sure of all these website's histories
WhiteBandit (09:34 PM) :
could that possibly be playing a part though?
History Buff (09:35 PM) :
well, we're pretty sure CFC is just a bunch of war mongers. The only person on bad realtions would be NRK. We're currently working to appoint him as ambassador too! 
WhiteBandit (09:35 PM) :
haha
WhiteBandit (09:36 PM) :
you guys haven't been able to work out any deals at all with CFC though?
WhiteBandit (09:37 PM) :
like no tech treaties even?
History Buff (09:38 PM) :
IIRC, no
WhiteBandit (09:38 PM) :
oh man
WhiteBandit (09:39 PM) :
what do you guys feel about the current situation? all i know is a "stack of GCA troops are threatening our settler"
WhiteBandit (09:39 PM) :
i think i'll go read the log actually so i understand what is going on... or try to understand it
History Buff (09:43 PM) :
well, if a warrior is going to kill a spearman on a mountain, then yes, there is a settler in danger. Either that or there is some settler I cant see on these maps.
History Buff (09:45 PM) :
pfft. Damn cfc'ers cant even use dimplomatic channels. They wont sign a treaty, but then yell at us to move our units by renaming theirs. :roll:
WhiteBandit (09:45 PM) :
lol!
WhiteBandit (09:47 PM) :
have you talked to CDG at all about this?
History Buff (09:47 PM) :
not that I know of, but Pggar might have
WhiteBandit (09:52 PM) :
i wonder how they feel towards CFC?
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Oct 1999
time: 21:34
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Part 1 of 2
Chat with CDG and CFC. They approached us; yes, surprising isn't it?
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Session Start: Thu Jun 12 12:01:54 2003
Session Ident: #teaforthree
[12:01] * Now talking in #teaforthree
[12:02] Trip-- welcome
[12:02] * Trip- sets mode: +ooo BigFree FortyJ MasterZen
[12:02] FortyJ- 04,00°05,00 Have no fear... 04,00FortyJ05,00 is here! 04,00°
[12:02] * Trip- sets mode: +s
[12:02] FortyJ- thanks
[12:02] FortyJ- 12:4)1
[12:02] MasterZen- hey
[12:02] * Trip- sets mode: +k goonie
[12:02] FortyJ- heh
[12:02] FortyJ- nice pass
[12:03] Trip--
[12:03] Trip-- I needed to think of something
[12:03] Trip-- phew
[12:03] Trip-- so many windows
[12:03] Trip-- if I say something weird, don't blame me :P
[12:03] BigFree- how do you get the colored smilie?
[12:03] Trip-- it's a script
[12:03] Trip-- :P
[12:03] FortyJ- that it is
[12:03] BigFree- duh
[12:04] BigFree- where did you get it?
[12:04] FortyJ- I wrote it... would you like it?
[12:04] BigFree- sure
[12:04] FortyJ- let's see if I can figure out how to do this... 12;4)1
[12:04] MasterZen- BigFree is a mIRC freak :P
[12:05] BigFree-
[12:06] FortyJ- well... you're not accepting DCCs of *.zip files...
[12:06] BigFree- [12:05] -apolyton.net- The majority of files sent of this type are malicious virii and trojan horses. In order to prevent the spread of this problem, we are blocking DCC sends of these types of files by default.
[12:06] BigFree- -
[12:06] BigFree- [12:05] -apolyton.net- If you trust FortyJ, and want him/her to send you this file, you may obtain more information on using the dccallow system by typing /dccallow help
[12:06] FortyJ- what's your e-mail? I'll send it that way
[12:07] BigFree- bigfree1@attbi.com
[12:07] BigFree-
[12:07] BigFree- thanks
[12:07] Trip-- I'll just be watching mainly
[12:07] Trip-- need to get caught up with the C3C forums
[12:07] FortyJ- file sent...
[12:08] BigFree-
[12:08] FortyJ- n/m ... now it's sent
[12:11] FortyJ- sorry... just read an email from miccofl...
[12:12] FortyJ- said that our email server might be infected with a virus...-
[12:12] FortyJ- !
[12:12] BigFree- doh
[12:12] FortyJ- don't think it's ours though...
[12:12] BigFree- I will check your email carefully
[12:12] FortyJ- but I'm not technical enough to know for sure
[12:15] FortyJ- anyway...
[12:15] FortyJ- not much I can do about it now
[12:16] BigFree- You guys still giving us Math and Philosophy and WM for MapMaking and WM
[12:16] FortyJ- I thought it was Math and HBR
[12:16] FortyJ- ?
[12:17] BigFree- oh yeah
[12:17] BigFree- sorry
[12:17] FortyJ- and if you are still interested, I'll put it to a vote in our forums.
[12:18] FortyJ- since we're both isolated from the land bridges by our neighbors... our maps should prove beneficial to both teams...
[12:18] BigFree- yes, agreed
[12:19] FortyJ- what type of time frame are we looking at for this deal?
[12:19] BigFree- we will be fiinished fairly soon
[12:20] Trip-- fairly/very :P
[12:21] FortyJ- finished with MM?
[12:21] BigFree- yes
[12:21] FortyJ- so, 4 or 5 turns won't be a problem?
[12:21] BigFree- no
[12:21] BigFree- isthat when you'll be done?
[12:22] FortyJ- ok... I would like to move forward on this deal
[12:22] FortyJ- I'm not sure, but it should be right around there BF
[12:22] FortyJ- I'll put it to a vote in the forums
[12:22] BigFree- bool
[12:22] BigFree- err cool
[12:22] FortyJ- heh
[12:22] FortyJ- btw... get my file?
[12:24] BigFree- yes
[12:24] BigFree- letme try to install it
[12:25] FortyJ- just sent an e-mail to TF re12:4P1ossible virus
[12:25] FortyJ- heh
[12:25] FortyJ- the unfortunate byproduct of the smilie script
[12:26] BigFree- ah
[12:26] * [RP]mrmitchell has joined #teaforthree
[12:27] FortyJ- now Trip...
[12:27] Trip-- ?
[12:27] FortyJ- more in your area of "blowing things up"... 12:4D1
[12:27] FortyJ- can we expect any assistance from Apolyton if things get heated between GCA and Fanatikou?
[12:27] Trip-- hehe
[12:27] Trip-- I can certainly blow stuff up
[12:28] Trip-- but it's up to other people to let me
[12:28] * Trip- sets mode: +o [RP]mrmitchell
[12:28] Trip-- I think we were going to have a talk with CDG about that soon
[12:28] Trip-- but they're elusive :P
[12:28] Trip-- as I think we've told you earlier, CDG territory stands between us and GCA
[12:29] BigFree- Testing 12:4)1
[12:29] FortyJ- we're trying to get a document drafted up that outlines our combined commitment to remove GCA forces from all our lands as well as restrict their ability to "annoy" any of us for some time...
[12:29] BigFree- 12:4)1)
[12:29] Trip-- I haven't been paying much attention to the diplomacy stuff
[12:30] FortyJ- no need when your duties are so clearly defined for you... 12;4)1
[12:30] Trip-- you'll have to ask our FAM department or our consuls for more info
[12:30] MasterZen- hear hear
[12:30] FortyJ- btw... I may catch some heat for meeting with you guys spur of the moment like this...
[12:30] FortyJ- Goonie's sure to be upset
[12:30] FortyJ- 12:4)1
[12:31] FortyJ- but I'd like to get things moving
[12:31] BigFree- we'll send him the smilie script to appease him
[12:31] FortyJ- good idea
[12:52] FortyJ- I think I need a vacation (from the MSDG), so I can get things done at the office
[12:52] BigFree- we call it the ISDG
[12:53] BigFree- Inter-Site
[12:53] FortyJ- yeah... we use MSDG to avoid confusing with Intra-Site...
[12:53] BigFree- ah
[12:53] FortyJ- you say potato...
[12:57] FortyJ- brb
[12:57] BigFree- what will you guys reasrch after HBR?
[13:00] * MasterZen has quit IRC (Quit: I hate my thesis...)
[13:03] * Trip- has quit IRC (Ping timeout)
[13:07] * BigFree is now known as [GOD]BigFree
[13:07] * [GOD]BigFree is now known as [DOG]BigFree
[13:13] FortyJ- sorry about that... major work interference there
[13:14] FortyJ- in answer to your query... we'll be going after Construction after HBR
[13:16] [DOG]BigFree- ok, cool
[13:16] * [DOG]BigFree is now known as BigFree
[13:27] FortyJ- goonie's coming
[13:27] * Goonie has joined #teaforthree
[13:27] Goonie- Hola
[13:27] BigFree- hey hey
[13:30] FortyJ- Goonie... just so you know... I've offered a gift to them on behalf of all Fanatikese
[13:31] Goonie- a gifT!
[13:31] Goonie- What type?
[13:31] FortyJ- 12:4)1
[13:31] Goonie- lemme restartmy comp
[13:31] Goonie- Going hy wire
[13:31] * Goonie has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
[13:31] FortyJ- heh
[13:31] FortyJ- he's gonna have a fit with that one 12;4)1
[13:31] BigFree- LOL
[13:31] BigFree- he's like WTF!
[13:31] FortyJ- he's probably pacing back and forth in front of the pc right now
[13:32] BigFree- LOL
[13:35] FortyJ- he's on his way...
[13:36] * Goonie has joined #teaforthree
[13:36] Goonie- sorry about that.
[13:36] Goonie- 40J, you telling me about a gift?
[13:37] BigFree- we got a free city
[13:37] BigFree- 12;4)1
[13:37] BigFree- JK
[13:37] Goonie- wow!
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[13:41] Togas- greetings
[13:41] * BigFree sets mode: +oo Goonie Togas
[13:42] Goonie- Hi Toggas
[13:42] Togas- have I missed the chat?
[13:43] Goonie- Well, I think so. I just got here and things seem to be dead.
[13:43] BigFree- you guys can talk
[13:43] FortyJ- heh
[13:43] BigFree- see if you come up withthe same that me and FortyJ did.
[13:43] FortyJ- we're all chatted out
[13:43] BigFree- 12:4P1
[13:43] FortyJ- 12:4P1
[13:43] Togas- no way!
[13:44] Togas- does anyone have a red phone to CDG & Kentonio?
[13:44] BigFree- FortyJ's my pal now
[13:44] Togas- we oughta get him in here to chat with us
[13:45] FortyJ- I've got MRex from CDG in our Embassy room...
[13:45] FortyJ- you want to invite him in here?
[13:45] BigFree- yes
[13:45] Goonie- I think that would be a good idea
[13:45] Togas- yes
[13:45] FortyJ- ok... one sec
[13:46] Goonie- what was the gift?
[13:46] FortyJ- you have to guess...
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[13:51] FortyJ- yes... the glorious people of Fanatikou have gifted the power of scripting to the friendly nation of Apolyton...
[13:51] FortyJ- 12:4)1
[13:51] FortyJ- welcome...
[13:51] MicaelisRex- i've made it
[13:51] BigFree- OMG
[13:51] BigFree- CDG is alive!
[13:51] BigFree- 12:4)1
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[13:53] FortyJ- so... how shall we deal with the problem of Gamecatcher Aggression?
[13:53] MicaelisRex- CFC has proposed a 3 way alliance
[13:54] FortyJ- btw... Poly.. you've got the save
[13:54] BigFree- got it
[13:55] FortyJ- yw
[13:55] FortyJ- 12:4)1
[13:55] FortyJ- but back to the topic at hand....
[13:56] FortyJ- MRex is correct, we are proposing an alliance to deal with this threat
[13:57] FortyJ- furthermore, we are asking that all three nations consider the failure to vacate territory within a nations borders an act of war
[13:57] FortyJ- not only against that nation, but against all three
[13:58] MicaelisRex- What is your time-frame for an attack?
[13:58] FortyJ- GCA's aggressive behavior threatens the stability of the continent and must be stopped
[13:58] FortyJ- that depends MRex
[13:58] FortyJ- but it is soon
[13:59] FortyJ- is it safe to say that while the alliance is in effect, that no member shall attack or take advantage of the disposition of troops of other alliance members?
[13:59] Goonie- hello?
[13:59] Goonie- Do you see this-
[14:00] FortyJ- by attacking a fellow member of the alliance? ie. a non-aggression pact amonst members
[14:00] FortyJ- no Goonie... don't see you
[14:00] FortyJ- 12;4)1
[14:00] Togas- This sounds good, but what could Poly actually do?
[14:00] BigFree- That would go with out saying if an alliance was agreed too
[14:00] FortyJ- good
[14:00] Togas- we have no way to attack GC
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[14:00] FortyJ- what do you propose then?
[14:00] BigFree- So are we talikng 3 against one here?
[14:00] MicaelisRex- The NAP is an absolute must for CDG as well.
[14:01] FortyJ- essentially yes BF
[14:01] FortyJ- although, personally, I do not seek to conquer GCA
[14:02] MicaelisRex- What do you wish to do 40J?
[14:02] BigFree- CDG would benefit most from this tactic
[14:02] FortyJ- only to remove them from our lands and permanently remove the threat that they can act hostilely towards any of us
[14:03] FortyJ- well, the alternative is to conquer and divide their lands amongst the three of us...
[14:03] MicaelisRex- Considering their proximity to CDG's lands, that would mean an invasion.
[14:03] BigFree- I agree
[14:04] BigFree- but APO wouldn't have much interst in GCa's land
[14:04] BigFree- It's too far away
[14:04] FortyJ- exactly
[14:04] BigFree- We need to get something else
[14:05] MicaelisRex- Like what?
[14:05] FortyJ- I'm open to suggestions...
[14:05] BigFree- Tech, gold, whatever else
[14:06] FortyJ- ok
[14:06] MicaelisRex- What armies could you provide the alliance with?
[14:06] BigFree- We have little to offer now
[14:07] BigFree- though with a little planning we could change that
[14:07] MicaelisRex- How soon would you have an army ready?
[14:07] BigFree- depends on what is considered an "Army"
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Part 2 of 2
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[14:07] * BigFree sets mode: +o MicaelisRex
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[14:08] FortyJ- I hope he realizes that I was kidding...
[14:08] Kentonio- lo
[14:08] FortyJ- hey Kentonio
[14:08] Kentonio- how goes all?
[14:08] MicaelisRex- May I introduce CDG's President Kentonio.
[14:08] Kentonio- *bows*
[14:08] Kentonio- lol
[14:09] BigFree- hey there
[14:09] FortyJ- I need to get some of my teammates to start typing things like that... 12;4)1
[14:09] Kentonio- hey BF
[14:09] FortyJ- I'm like Rodney Dangerfield over here...
[14:09] Kentonio- yeah 40J, you have to bribe them with beer tho
[14:09] BigFree- HAHA
[14:09] FortyJ- I think they're mostly too young for that actually...
[14:09] Kentonio- :-)
[14:10] FortyJ- but a valid strategy all the same
[14:10] Kentonio- hehe, always works for me
[14:10] FortyJ- It'd work on me too
[14:10] Kentonio-
[14:10] FortyJ- speaking of which... I could really go for one right now
[14:10] FortyJ- or maybe 12...
[14:11] Kentonio- im indulging over here right now
[14:11] Kentonio- and how are you Togas man?
[14:12] FortyJ- btw... are you guys playing the turn now, or later?
[14:12] Kentonio- we played and passed
[14:12] FortyJ- oh...sorry
[14:12] FortyJ- was talking to the other guys
[14:12] FortyJ- 12;4)1
[14:12] Kentonio- np
[14:13] Kentonio- hadnt actually heard Togas speak yet so i presumed you were talking to us
[14:13] Kentonio- you awake Tog?
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[14:13] MicaelisRex- Hi.
[14:13] Kentonio- hey nye
[14:13] nye- hi
[14:13] BigFree- we have other channels open for the PTWDG
[14:14] nye- don't mind me. i have things to tend to.
[14:14] Kentonio- ah
[14:14] FortyJ- Mr nye
[14:14] FortyJ- welcome
[14:14] BigFree- we haven't played the turn ecause we are too busy blabbing in here
[14:14] nye- hello, forty
[14:14] Kentonio- whos Poly pres right now anyway?
[14:14] FortyJ- good question
[14:14] nye- 3 consuls.
[14:14] FortyJ- whoah
[14:15] FortyJ- consuls, eh?
[14:15] nye- myself, bigfree, and mrwhereitsat
[14:15] Kentonio- bet that gets interesting
[14:15] FortyJ- pretty fancy
[14:15] BigFree- we have fun
[14:15] Kentonio- can you and BF form a consensus to speak for poly here?
[14:15] * BigFree sets mode: +oo Kentonio nye
[14:15] FortyJ- I'd like to see an organizational chart of that...
[14:15] Kentonio- lol
[14:16] nye- yes, but the question is, would we?
[14:16] BigFree- we can, but we usually consult with the team before major decsions
[14:16] Togas- sorry, I'm awake, just at work.
[14:16] Togas- So I get distracted from time to time
[14:16] Kentonio- Hi tom
[14:17] Kentonio- then we can begin to discuss the issue at hand gentlemen? I understand the timescale is perhaps kind of short
[14:18] FortyJ- somewhat...
[14:19] Kentonio- well its your issue 40 so that makes it your floor
[14:19] FortyJ- thank you.... CFC is essentially proposing that our three nations consider GCA's refusal to vacate our lands an act of war
[14:19] FortyJ- not only against us, but against all of us
[14:19] FortyJ- as their aggressive behavior is a threat to the stability of our region
[14:19] FortyJ- we would like to form an alliance to curtail that aggression
[14:20] BigFree- We have very little to send right now, perhaps 2-4 units at most. And that would only be with team consent.
[14:20] BigFree- But...
[14:20] BigFree- perhaps just threatening GCA with an alliance will cause them to move?
[14:20] Kentonio- thats the real hope
[14:20] FortyJ- that may indeed be the result
[14:20] nye- i'm not sure we have even 2 suitable
[14:21] FortyJ- and one we would be happy to see take shape
[14:21] BigFree- WE can send Wariior BigFree
[14:21] BigFree- he's close
[14:21] BigFree- 12:4)1
[14:21] nye- that he is.
[14:21] MicaelisRex- lol, we know that.
[14:22] FortyJ- must be an inside joke... 12;4)1
[14:22] Kentonio- dont ask..
[14:22] FortyJ- heh
[14:22] BigFree- LOL
[14:23] BigFree- why doesn't CFC just send a note to GCA telling them theta the international community is outraged that they would be doing what they are doing?
[14:23] FortyJ- that's what we intend to do
[14:23] Kentonio- are we basically in agreement that the strongest team on the continent acting aggressively is a definate bad thing for us all?
[14:23] FortyJ- but before speaking for all of us, we wanted to actually talk to you first 12:4)1
[14:24] BigFree- sure
[14:24] FortyJ- same here
[14:24] BigFree- we understand
[14:25] Togas- I think I can safely say that Apolyton does not support their behavior, nor would we support any team staying inside of the borders of another without permission. It's like an act of war.
[14:25] BigFree- but if this is just all fluff from GCA then we don't need to get all rilled up too much
[14:25] FortyJ- we're hoping that we can come to an agreement on an alliance between our three nations, at which point we could inform GCA that the allied nations are quite disturbed by their aggressive stance and insist that they remove their forces
[14:26] FortyJ- at which point, if they vacate, then we can go back to business as usual
[14:26] FortyJ- but if they refuse, then we would be prepared to bring force to bear
[14:26] Kentonio- triple mutual protection pact
[14:26] FortyJ- precisely
[14:27] FortyJ- any violation of national borders would be considered an act of war against all three nations
[14:27] BigFree- we can tell them that informally without an alliance, that may be enough.
[14:27] FortyJ- well... any unauthorized violation... 12;4)1
[14:27] Kentonio- we could be a little more subtle incidentally..
[14:27] Kentonio- we could invite them to join a FOUR way mutual protection pact
[14:27] FortyJ- we've tried subtle... but I'm open to ideas
[14:28] BigFree- LOL, yes that would work
[14:28] BigFree- we can all four sign an agreement not to enter anothers border's
[14:28] FortyJ- heh... might work, but I doubt that would encourage them to vacate our lands
[14:28] BigFree- after we sign, it would be looked "down upon" by the other memeber's
[14:29] Kentonio- Of course it would if the terms contained the clause 'Any violation of cultural borders shall be seen as an act of war'
[14:29] BigFree- true
[14:29] FortyJ- isn't that already understood?
[14:29] Kentonio- always a good idea to have things in writing
[14:29] FortyJ- do any of you not consider that an act of war?
[14:29] MicaelisRex- well, in Bigfree's case...
[14:29] Kentonio- of course not but Lucky is very big on technicalities
[14:30] FortyJ- 30 turns ago, GCA considered our warrior outside their border an act of aggression
[14:30] FortyJ- now they're refusing to remove one of theirs from inside our borders...
[14:30] Kentonio- an act of aggression is not an act of war per se
[14:30] FortyJ- quite true...
[14:30] Kentonio- they are commiting an act of war
[14:30] FortyJ- and precisely my point...
[14:31] FortyJ- they were riled up about our warrior next to their border
[14:31] FortyJ- but don't see any reason to remove theirs from inside our border
[14:31] BigFree- How long have they remained ther?
[14:31] Kentonio- because they know that alone they can beat you
[14:31] FortyJ- the duplicity kills me
[14:31] FortyJ- they may think so... but I doubt it
[14:31] nye- what is the situation, 40?
[14:31] Kentonio- i seriously think they could beat any of us from their current position
[14:32] FortyJ- we have established a city next to an iron deposit
[14:32] FortyJ- a location that we had made clear that we were going to settle for some time now
[14:32] FortyJ- and their warrior is fortified on top of our iron, inside our borders
[14:32] FortyJ- and they refuse to vacate
[14:32] FortyJ- it's blatant resource denial
[14:32] nye- kill it.
[14:32] FortyJ- and it's an act of war
[14:33] FortyJ- oh... that day is coming
[14:33] FortyJ- soon
[14:33] MicaelisRex- 40J, you just played your turn, what did you do?
[14:33] MicaelisRex- left it there?
[14:33] FortyJ- we have not yet played our turn
[14:33] FortyJ- we get it after Poly
[14:33] MicaelisRex- oh my bad, i thought you were before poly
[14:33] FortyJ- 12:4)1
[14:33] FortyJ- np
[14:33] nye- i am supposed to be doing our turn now, then to forty
[14:34] BigFree- How many turns has GCA's Warrior beenon your Iron?
[14:34] BigFree- after you settle d the city
[14:34] FortyJ- anyway... I have to run home... my wife has a dinner date with her mother and a neighbor and I've got babysitting duty
[14:34] FortyJ- BF - not many...
[14:34] BigFree- are they asking for concessions?
[14:35] FortyJ- but we have a worker that will be ready to build a road there in 2 turns and we expect them to be gone before then
[14:35] FortyJ- no
[14:35] FortyJ- they're not asking for anything
[14:35] BigFree- what exactly are they saying then?
[14:35] FortyJ- only that their warrior is "conducting mining operations and cannot be moved yet"
[14:35] BigFree- ah
[14:35] FortyJ- we tried to be cute and renamed some units in the city to "Please move"
[14:35] FortyJ- or "Time's up... please vacate"
[14:36] BigFree- Did you tell them you were sending dynamite to the Mountain
[14:36] FortyJ- but they just renamed it to "No can do" or some similarly smug response
[14:36] BigFree- what asses
[14:36] FortyJ- yep
[14:37] BigFree- I suggest you build a couple of Archer's
[14:37] FortyJ- that pretty much covers our communal opinion of them at the moment
[14:37] BigFree- 12:4)1
[14:38] FortyJ- but... I need to go... please consider our suggestion for an alliance...
[14:38] FortyJ- even if there aren't many forces available... even a few in some strategic places could benefit all of us
[14:38] nye- ok.
[14:38] BigFree- sure
[14:38] BigFree- we do feel for yoou
[14:38] FortyJ- besides, I think that they've got about half their military within striking distance of our city
[14:39] BigFree- ouch
[14:39] Kentonio- if apolyton will agree to the proposal, CDG will be happy to accept
[14:39] BigFree- ok
[14:39] FortyJ- thank you.
[14:39] BigFree- I will submit the proposal
[14:39] FortyJ- I've really got to run or the Mrs will kill me before I get to play the turn
[14:39] BigFree- adios
[14:39] Kentonio- have fun mate
[14:39] FortyJ- I'll be chatting with you soon, I hope
[14:39] FortyJ- adios todos amigos
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[14:39] nye- bye. yes to further chat
[14:40] Kentonio- you guys likely to accept this?
[14:41] MicaelisRex- shall we move over to the CDG-Poly room?
[14:41] nye- it warrants serious consideration, kentonio
[14:41] BigFree- yes, lets
[14:41] BigFree- move that is
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[14:42] nye- where room?
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Oct 1999
time: 21:34
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Seperate chat with only member's of CDG
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Session Start: Thu Jun 12 03:59:08 2003
Session Ident: #ISDGFAMTALKS
[03:59] * Now talking in #ISDGFAMTALKS
[03:59] * services.apolyton.net changes topic to 'Welcome to the Embassy! Please notify persons in this channel once you arrive so that we know you are here. We may be idle but we will return shortly, please be patient. Thank you. '
[03:59] * ChanServ sets mode: +ntr
[03:59] * Retrieving #ISDGFAMTALKS info...
[03:59] * BigFree changes topic to 'Welcome to the CDG-APO Embassy! Please notify persons in this channel once you arrive so that we know you are here. We may be idle but we will return shortly, please be patient. Thank you. '
[03:59] * BigFree sets mode: +ps
[03:59] * BigFree sets mode: +k Rabbit
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Session Close: Thu Jun 12 04:02:27 2003
Session Start: Thu Jun 12 04:03:13 2003
Session Ident: #ISDGFAMTALKS
[04:03] * Now talking in #ISDGFAMTALKS
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[13:56] MicaelisRex- hey guys
[13:58] BigFree- yo
[13:59] Togas- ah!!
[13:59] MicaelisRex- I'll be here in case we need to discuss anything privately
[13:59] Togas- Good
[13:59] BigFree- so you guys are really up for giving us an ROP for getting to GCA?
[13:59] MicaelisRex- We're open to negotiating it.
[14:01] BigFree- just checking that CFC wasn't speaking for you too hastily
[14:41] BigFree- This room MicaelisRex
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[14:43] MicaelisRex- hey
[14:43] nye- hi
[14:43] Kentonio- i only have a few minutes then i have to go
[14:43] MicaelisRex- me too
[14:43] nye- same here
[14:43] Kentonio- so anything you want to discuss re this idea of 40's guys?
[14:44] BigFree- just that we would arther se it resovled peacefuly
[14:44] Kentonio- as would we all but what if it cant be?
[14:44] nye- one moment kentonio
[14:46] BigFree- we'd be willing to send a few units
[14:47] BigFree- we know it's important for us to stan united on this
[14:47] Kentonio- and re a four way Mutual protection pact?
[14:47] Kentonio- to deter any aggression?
[14:47] BigFree- we could be favorable to that
[14:48] nye- look in the main room.
[14:48] nye- togas
[14:48] BigFree- we'd put some sort of limits on it
[14:48] Kentonio- such as?
[14:48] BigFree- we wouldn't want to get drawn into to a war against our approval
[14:49] Kentonio- then theres no point in a mutual protection pact then
[14:49] nye- bottom line is that we need time to consider the detail, but we are inclined to support you
[14:49] Kentonio- ok
[14:49] BigFree- lets say CFC and GCa work out a plan to get one or both of us to war against the other as a diversion
[14:49] nye- we certainly would give you assurances so that you may be more helpful to cfc
[14:49] Kentonio- i ahve certain evidence that that isnt the case
[14:49] nye- but we have little that we can send right now as is
[14:50] Kentonio- ditto
[14:50] nye- which is not the case?
[14:50] Kentonio- any kind of cfc-GCa tie. I know you were hypothesising but just thought id mention it
[14:51] nye- ahh yes, a hypothetical.
[14:51] Kentonio- anyway i have to go now, hope to talk to you again soon gentlemen
[14:51] nye- bottom line. we do not want to see gca become a giant at cfc's or your expense.
[14:51] Kentonio- good, neither do we
[14:51] BigFree- agreed
[14:51] nye- ok. when can you chat again?
[14:51] Kentonio- tomorrow?
[14:52] nye- bad time of day for me, i'm afraid.
[14:52] BigFree- this room is permanent, you can drop by any time or make an apointment.
[14:52] Kentonio- ok
[14:52] BigFree- If something coes up
[14:52] Kentonio- right i have to run, we'll sort something out soon
[14:52] nye- ok
[14:52] BigFree- good
[14:52] Kentonio- nice talking to you guys
[14:52] BigFree- you too
[14:52] Kentonio- bye
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[14:52] MicaelisRex- ok, cya
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Caught Lucky on ICQ... here is part I
All times are Pacific (GMT - 7!)
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Lucky 10:40 AM: hi
WhiteBandit 10:40 AM: hey there! give me a few minutes here, playing with a new IM client and trying to set it up
WhiteBandit 10:44 AM: alright, you got my email i assume?
Lucky 10:45 AM: yes I did
Lucky 10:46 AM: let me assure you that is not us that is showing clear aggressive tendencies
WhiteBandit 10:46 AM: okay
Lucky 10:47 AM: we have had a lonely warrior on a lonely mountain as a watchout for a long time now
Lucky 10:47 AM: he has not been moved for quite a lot of turns
WhiteBandit 10:47 AM: we are just alarmed by what CFC is claiming and by there rhetoric for war
WhiteBandit 10:47 AM: is he inside CFC cultural borders though?
Lucky 10:47 AM: and then they come and settle right next him, yes
WhiteBandit 10:47 AM: ah i see
Lucky 10:47 AM: furthermore, that settlement is adjacent to our empire border
Lucky 10:48 AM: and far away from their own
Lucky 10:48 AM: the only reason for such a settlement is to prohibit our movement even further
Lucky 10:48 AM: let me quickyl count something
WhiteBandit 10:48 AM: i could understand that
WhiteBandit 10:48 AM: what of your warrior then?
Lucky 10:49 AM: they have 7 warriors and 2 spearmen (that we can see) right next to our borders, and recently they settled there, too
WhiteBandit 10:49 AM: oh man
Lucky 10:49 AM: they made the movement of our scouts very difficult
WhiteBandit 10:49 AM: i wish we all had map making, this would make things much easier to see
Lucky 10:50 AM: and put us into a position were we even had to defend that border this early
Lucky 10:50 AM: so you see, it is not us that is showing clear aggressive tendencies
Lucky 10:51 AM: also, they have by now blocked almost all retreat routes of our warrior on the mountain
WhiteBandit 10:51 AM: yeah, i can understand your view
Lucky 10:51 AM: if he were to move he would be wide open to attacks by their numerous units there
WhiteBandit 10:51 AM: there is nothing you can work out with them to move the warrior back to your territory?
WhiteBandit 10:51 AM: kind of like how we worked out something with CDG regarding WBigFree
Lucky 10:51 AM: CFC did not even consider a NAP with us
Lucky 10:52 AM: we have no official treaty with them
Lucky 10:52 AM: we are only in a state of neutrality
Lucky 10:52 AM: they did not even suggest any treaty, and rejected every proposal we made
Lucky 10:53 AM: so once again, it is not us
WhiteBandit 10:53 AM: hmm, this is pretty disturbing news regarding them :-/
WhiteBandit 10:53 AM: how are your relations with CDG still?
Lucky 10:53 AM: as far as we know very good
Lucky 10:54 AM: we have high doubts in the truthfulness of the claim of CFC
Lucky 10:55 AM: another thing to note is that CFC did not contact us once and asked us to remove our warrior, only last turn did they contact our ambassador with the request
WhiteBandit 10:55 AM: hmm, they've made it seem like they've been asking you since before they settled the city
Lucky 10:55 AM: hmm
WhiteBandit 10:56 AM: this isn't promising news in regards to them then :-/ they seem dead set on being aggresive
Lucky 10:56 AM: nope, the only official diplomatic contact was last turn, after they settled and we didn´t move away
Lucky 10:56 AM: at least towards us, yes
Lucky 10:56 AM: and of course you understand that we have to take appropriate measures to defend ourselves
Lucky 10:57 AM: especially after your warning
WhiteBandit 10:57 AM: Are you guys going to try and move the warrior away though to perhaps lower tensions?
WhiteBandit 10:57 AM: oh definitely, we could understand
Lucky 10:57 AM: we have sent a diplomatic envoy for a meeting, so we can be sure he is allowed to leave unharmed
Lucky 10:57 AM: for now, he is staying in his relatively safe position
WhiteBandit 10:58 AM: that is wonderful news at the very least
WhiteBandit 10:58 AM: CDG did the same thing to us recently
WhiteBandit 10:58 AM: we have a warrior scouting just north of their territory and they plopped a city right next to it
WhiteBandit 10:58 AM: :-/
WhiteBandit 10:58 AM: we ended up moving away though
Lucky 10:59 AM: well, it was probably nowhere near your border
WhiteBandit 11:00 AM: well, a couple of tiles away from it
Lucky 11:00 AM: our warrior was the forward obs for our border defense
WhiteBandit 11:01 AM: yeah it was the exact same situation with our warrior, part of our forward scout system to catch any suspicious movement
WhiteBandit 11:03 AM: are you guys prepared though for the worst case situation? if CFC decides to blow?
WhiteBandit 11:03 AM: (and take CDG with them???)
Lucky 11:03 AM: we are prepared for CFC
Lucky 11:03 AM: CDG though is a big worry
WhiteBandit 11:04 AM: yeah, those immortals are extremely dangerous :-/
Lucky 11:04 AM: maybe your empire can persuade them to stay out of this if it starts
WhiteBandit 11:04 AM: togas just got online, he asked if we could move this to IRC?
Lucky 11:05 AM: ok
WhiteBandit 11:05 AM: okay
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Part II of the chat that moved to IRC
All times are Pacific (GMT - 7)
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Session Start: Fri Jun 13 11:05:17 2003
Session Ident: #EatCake
[11:05:17] * Now talking in #EatCake
[11:05:18] * Retrieving #EatCake info...
[11:05:25] * WhiteBandit sets mode: +k cooldiggity
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[11:06:48] [WhiteBandit] there we go
[11:06:52] [Lucky] hi
[11:06:52] [WhiteBandit] hey lucky!
[11:06:59] [WhiteBandit] thanks for moving over here
[11:06:59] [Togas] greetings
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[11:07:27] [Togas] MZ likes to stare at his computer while he take showers
[11:07:34] [WhiteBandit] i think he has one in the shower
[11:07:39] [Togas] must be waterproof of something
[11:07:46] [WhiteBandit] but anyways
[11:07:48] [MZ|shower] actually I have a waterproof laptop
[11:07:50] [Lucky] so
[11:07:52] [WhiteBandit] regarding this situation
[11:08:32] [Togas] Lucky, I asked WB to talk to you because I'm worried that you guys don't understand what's going on in the background, the world politics.
[11:08:33] [Lucky] continueing our conversation WB, I also think that is not in the interest of the Poly people that CFC and CDG take us down
[11:08:45] [WhiteBandit] you said your relations with CDG are fine though? like nothing to hint of anything bad?
[11:08:57] * MZ|shower is now known as MasterZen
[11:09:08] [Lucky] no hint of anything, except real friendship
[11:09:11] [Togas] CFC has told us, and told CDG that you are inside their cultural borders on their iron, and that you won't move.
[11:09:27] [MasterZen] they why suspicion over CDG?
[11:09:30] [WhiteBandit] togas - i talked to him about this already
[11:09:41] [WhiteBandit] he explained it, i haven't posted it to you yet cause i got flooded off, hehe
[11:09:43] [Togas] I know, WB, but I need to make this clear.
[11:09:46] [WhiteBandit] okay
[11:10:14] [Togas] Lucky, there is no excuse for staying inside someone else's cultural borders. If someone did that to Poly, we'd go apeshit.
[11:10:17] [Lucky] I have listed a lot of points that clearly show that it is CFC showing aggressive tendencies, not us
[11:11:05] [MasterZen] still, what would you do if CFC had a unit within your cultural borders, regardless of whether you just built a city besides?
[11:11:22] [Lucky] we would ask them to leave
[11:11:31] [MasterZen] what I'm getting at is that aggression to counter aggression leads to war
[11:11:33] [Lucky] our warrior has sat there for centuries, as forward guard of our border defenses, because CFC is roaming around this area with lots and I mean LOTS of units
[11:11:36] [Togas] Lucky, you guys need to leave.
[11:12:01] [MasterZen] let me put it this way: is it of vital national strategic importance to GCA to have its warrior there?
[11:12:16] [Togas] There's no excuses for this. We like you guys and we have nothing against you, but if a war gets started over this, CFC will be in the right.
[11:12:17] [Lucky] and now they settle a city that more or less cuts us off from the rest of the world, far away from their own territory
[11:12:31] [Lucky] yes MZ
[11:12:42] [Lucky] CFC has LOTs of land on their side
[11:12:47] [Togas] MZ, let me handle this...
[11:12:54] [Lucky] but they decide to "seal us in"
[11:13:03] [Lucky] also
[11:13:08] [Lucky] as I already told WB
[11:13:15] [Lucky] we have NO official treaty with CFC
[11:13:18] [MasterZen] our warrior was sealed in between CDG and you, and we found a diplomatic solution to it did we not?
[11:13:28] * WhiteBandit sighs
[11:13:35] [WhiteBandit] i'll be over here if anyon needs me, just say so
[11:13:47] [Togas] Lucky, do you guy want to go to war with CFC?
[11:13:49] [Lucky] they have not made a single proposal to us and denied all ours
[11:13:52] [MasterZen] brb
[11:14:09] [Lucky] as far as we can tell, CFC is pushing us into that direction
[11:14:18] [Togas] Do YOU want to go to war?
[11:14:34] [Togas] I'm not interested in the blaming stuff, I've heard enough of it from both sides already.
[11:14:34] [Lucky] of course not
[11:14:39] [Togas] then move that warrior. Please.
[11:14:47] [Lucky] we cannot anymore
[11:14:51] [Togas] because CFC & CDG are asking us to join them in a war against you
[11:15:10] [Lucky] CFC decided to surround the warrior on almost all sides
[11:15:29] [Lucky] the only way out would put it into an easy target
[11:16:23] [Togas] Lucky, all of these excuses don't solve anything. I'm sorry. I'm not tryign to be rude, but I don't care that much.
[11:16:31] [Togas] what I care about is NOT seeing a war between you guys
[11:17:00] [Lucky] we are really trying to resolve this diplomatically
[11:17:41] [Togas] Please do. I'm very worried. I'm not joking about the tensions here, Poly has been invited to join in an alliance against you.
[11:18:10] [Togas] CDG has been offered to join, and told us they'd join as well.
[11:18:25] [Lucky] as I said, moving it was not a viable option
[11:18:30] [Togas] make it an option
[11:18:38] [Lucky] and it is too late now
[11:18:50] [WhiteBandit] to put it in serious perspective about your northern neighbor as well, they offered us a ROP to join.
[11:18:58] [Togas] Listen, if you don't move him, they'll both attack you.
[11:19:19] [Lucky] we have already contacted CFC to find a way for us to move him away
[11:19:20] [Togas] we're not going to attack. We gain nothing from it, but we've told CDG we won't attack them :/
[11:19:29] [Lucky] otoh
[11:19:39] [Lucky] if CDG and CFC already agreed on attacking us
[11:19:47] [Lucky] will they really stop if we move it away?
[11:19:51] [Togas] yes
[11:20:00] [Lucky] I don´t think so
[11:20:03] [Togas] CDG said they'd do it if you didn't move the warrior
[11:20:17] [Lucky] CDG won´t let their immortals stay in peace
[11:20:49] [Togas] Lucky, don't be foolish or fatalistic. They will be 'in the right' if you stay inside their borders. They will have a casus belli
[11:21:52] [Togas] If we wanted to see you guys destroyed, we'd sit back and do nothing. We don't want that. I'm BEGGING you, please. Move the warrior and avert this war.
[11:22:06] [Lucky] as I said, we are trying to do exactly that
[11:22:09] [WhiteBandit] in a way, you have nothing to lose...
[11:22:22] [WhiteBandit] if they are going to go to war anyway, you are going to lose that warrior no matter what
[11:22:24] [Togas] if they attack you after you move it, THEY will be the villains
[11:22:50] [MasterZen] and a warrior isn't really much to ask for in a war against Immortals
[11:22:50] [Togas] and we will not support such actions publicly nor will we support CDG if they attack you without good cause.
[11:23:10] [Lucky] the save is already long gone
[11:23:27] [MasterZen] there's always the next turn
[11:23:37] [WhiteBandit] eh, that isn't much of an excuse though, send them an email saying "we will move it next turn"
[11:23:37] [MasterZen] at least TELL them that you'll move it
[11:23:42] [Togas] Next turn is good. Drop them a note so that they'll stop with the war drums
[11:23:57] [Lucky] yes, and that is what we are already doing
[11:24:07] [Togas] good.
[11:24:12] [MasterZen] but explicitly mentioning you will move it?
[11:25:26] [Togas] I feel much better. I was very worried that this thing would go badly. We have an excellent relationship with you guys and we hope to have a longstanding friendship
[11:25:33] [Lucky] that is our text:
[11:25:35] [Lucky] "01,9901we will move the warrior next turn if it can go freely and unharmed01,99"
[11:25:46] [Togas] good
[11:26:09] [Togas] btw, we just finished Mapmaking, will start on the next tech.
[11:26:21] [Togas] we should be trading with you guys soon.
[11:28:58] [Lucky] cool
[11:29:07] [Togas] is there anything you'd like to ask us?
[11:29:25] [Lucky] any idea where the CDG immortals are?
[11:29:27] [Lucky]
[11:29:31] [WhiteBandit] i wish we knew
[11:30:10] [Togas] we know where 1 is
[11:30:14] [Togas] he's #4
[11:30:20] [Togas] so we assume they have at least 4
[11:30:47] [Togas] #4 is up next to us protecting one of their new towns.
[11:31:14] [Lucky] 4 already :s
[11:31:19] * Togas nods...
[11:31:29] [Togas] but, of course, it could be a bluff
[11:32:18] [Lucky] yes
[11:32:23] [Togas] Lucky, do you know much about the PTW Team game that's going on here at Poly?
[11:33:57] [Togas] Here on Poly we have a PTW game going with six teams all fighting each other, and it's amazing the things you learn.
[11:34:20] [Lucky] like?
[11:34:35] [Togas] The main thing that some of the teams are learning is just how powerful propoganda and politics are.
[11:34:48] [WhiteBandit] yeah
[11:34:52] [WhiteBandit] it's very intricate
[11:35:00] [WhiteBandit] the whole thing started as a trainer for the ISDG too
[11:35:08] [Lucky] yes, that´s visible in the ISDG, too
[11:35:47] [Togas] Wars vs the AI ... no one cares, you just fight and win. Wars vs humans ... everyone takes sides.
[11:37:17] [Lucky] well
[11:37:26] [Togas] If you're the victim of an unjustified attack, the world will side with you so long as you make a good case.
[11:37:42] [Lucky] thanks for your friendship, this clearly shows who we can trust
[11:37:51] [Lucky] we hope we are able to return the favor
[11:38:00] [Togas] Thanks
[11:38:18] [MasterZen] avoiding a war at this point is a favor in itself
[11:38:27] [Togas] We hope you guys stay at peace. Last thing we want to see right now is this war.
[11:38:34] [Lucky] and we hope that CFC is really interested in getting our warrior out of the way and not in going to war with is, which is what we think they really want
[11:38:56] [Togas] if you guys move it and they STILL attack you, let everyone know
[11:39:38] [WhiteBandit] the wild card here is CDG though :-/
[11:39:46] [WhiteBandit] if they attack, then we all know their true colors
[11:41:17] [Togas] I don't think Apolyton will stand for it if they do.
[11:41:39] [WhiteBandit] would it be wise to setup a 4 way meeting?
[11:42:46] [Lucky] we will try to talk with each of them first, let´s see if they are interested in resolving conflict or rather interested in war.
[11:42:58] [Togas] We could, but I leave it up to Lucky to decide. Sounds like they're trying.
[11:43:30] [Lucky] gtg now though, cya later
[11:43:35] [Togas] take care
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Chat with CDG. Part 1 of 2
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Session Start: Fri Jun 13 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #ISDGFAMTALKS
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[16:19] Kentonio- much better
[16:19] BigFree- MRex was here ealier too
[16:19] Kentonio- he had to go
[16:20] Kentonio- so is everyone here and awake
[16:20] BigFree- to the bathroom?
[16:20] BigFree- 12:4)1
[16:20] Kentonio- lol, no just go
[16:21] Kentonio- so shall we begin?
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[16:21] BigFree- sure
[16:21] BigFree- wahts up
[16:21] WhiteBandit- what up 18 incher?
[16:21] Kentonio- firstly why is our warrior being blocked in the north please?
[16:21] OblongCubit- :P
[16:22] * GhengisFarb_CDG checks the latest screenshots
[16:22] BigFree- we are settling on or near that tile in the next couple of turns
[16:23] Kentonio- hmm
[16:23] BigFree- plus there's a barb camp to the north that we are "farming"
[16:24] Kentonio- i seem to remember a situation a while back whereby you nice fellowsd told us we were acting aggressively when we blocked you
[16:24] Kentonio- you asked why exactly anyone would want to block a team from peacefully exploring
[16:24] Kentonio- the irony is delicious
[16:24] BigFree- we are not blocking you, per se, just claiming a resource (the horses) and a city site
[16:25] GhengisFarb_CDG- by blocking us
[16:25] Kentonio- why would you claim it? its yours anyway re the 5 square settle radius remember
[16:25] BigFree- we are protecting the site form barbs entering there right now
[16:25] Kentonio- lmao
[16:26] BigFree- we will have a city there in 2 tunrs
[16:26] BigFree- seriously
[16:26] Kentonio- ok ok
[16:26] BigFree- 12:4)1
[16:26] OblongCubit- we're hiding Firaxis up there :P
[16:26] BigFree- you will see in two turns
[16:26] Kentonio- btw you will shortly need to mjove your 2 southern warriors back north. The passage between CDG and Poly is going to be closed shortly
[16:26] GhengisFarb_CDG- I take it Oblong is Trip
[16:26] BigFree- though we could prolly kill the barbs, we don't want to take any chances
[16:27] OblongCubit- where are you going to place your next city?
[16:27] Kentonio- between us and you of course
[16:27] OblongCubit- :P
[16:27] OblongCubit- yes, but where
[16:27] OblongCubit- so we can move our units accordingly
[16:27] GhengisFarb_CDG- Trip
[16:27] Kentonio- love to tell you but then i'd have to kill you :P
[16:28] WhiteBandit- oh man
[16:28] WhiteBandit- just tell him then
[16:28] Kentonio- lol
[16:28] OblongCubit- we'll keep that in mind while dealing with your Warrior
[16:28] Kentonio- hehe
[16:28] GhengisFarb_CDG- Our Immortals will keep that in mind also
[16:28] BigFree- LOL
[16:29] WhiteBandit- bah, your immortals are useless against the ICBMs we popped out of a goody hut
[16:29] Kentonio- basically in a few turns there will only be a very narrow (2 squares i believe) gap in the border. If your warriors are not through it in the next dozen or so turns they become trapped, which i presume neither of us want
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[16:29] ZargonX- hello all!
[16:29] WhiteBandit- hey zargon
[16:29] GhengisFarb_CDG- Hey Zargon
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[16:29] OblongCubit- Kento: how do you trap 2 warriors 5 tiles apart with 1 city? :P
[16:29] BigFree- we wil take that under consideration, thanks for the notice
[16:30] GhengisFarb_CDG- They are fat settlers
[16:30] Kentonio- the line between poly and CDG becomes cklosed, thus they cannot return home, thus they are trapped
[16:30] GhengisFarb_CDG- and they eat a lot
[16:30] OblongCubit- Kento: I still don't understand what you mean
[16:30] OblongCubit- :P
[16:31] GhengisFarb_CDG- F A T
[16:31] BigFree- I think CDG would have to place 2-3 more cities to complete block them off
[16:31] Kentonio- trapped i might add in a space that will rapidly become smaller and smaller, then we end up with a situation like we have with GCa and your warrior a while back
[16:31] OblongCubit- Kento: we will move our Warriors if you can tell us where they'll need to be running from
[16:31] * WhiteBandit looks at the screen shots
[16:32] Kentonio- 2 cities BF, 1 of which will be in place in 2 turns
[16:32] WhiteBandit- well where are you settling in relation to cuidado de alcohol?
[16:32] WhiteBandit- ah, 2 cities
[16:32] WhiteBandit- that explains it
[16:32] Kentonio- the small 2 square gap will be closed by warriors waiting for the last city to be placed, laying claim you might say against barbs and the like
[16:32] BigFree- what ever happened to our border deal, Louis was supposed to get back to us on that?
[16:33] Kentonio- i thought he did?
[16:33] BigFree- nope
[16:33] Kentonio- you know what we want, a 5 or 6 square straight line between us
[16:34] BigFree- I had proposed that we set the line 7 tiles from Apolyton since CDG has the chock point to the WEst
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[16:34] GhengisFarb_CDG- Hey E_T
[16:34] E_T_reading_threads- Hey GF
[16:34] BigFree- giving CDG nuch more land than us
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[16:35] Kentonio- 7 sqaures causes problems, it also means we can expand further north giving you even LESS territory
[16:35] GhengisFarb_CDG- Can you send us a map with your proposed border on it?
[16:35] Kentonio- not allowed until map making remember
[16:35] BigFree- ken, 7 tile form Apolyton would not cause problems for us North
[16:36] OblongCubit- Kentonio: we both have knowledge of the land which lies between us
[16:36] OblongCubit- so it should not be a problem
[16:36] GhengisFarb_CDG- Can you sketch a cave drawing with your proposed border on it?
[16:36] Kentonio- im talking about the line between us, it would enable CDG to settle even closer to you than we can now
[16:36] OblongCubit- Kento: I think he meant opposite
[16:36] OblongCubit- 5 tile
[16:37] GhengisFarb_CDG- So you are saying we will be allowed to settle 7 tiles from Apolyton?
[16:37] Kentonio- what you mean you get 7 tiles and we get 5?!?!?!
[16:37] BigFree- right, the line would extend from the NorthWest to the SouthEast, on a diagnal 7 tiles SoutWest from Apolyton.
[16:37] Kentonio- lol
[16:37] Kentonio- optimistic
[16:38] BigFree- ken, you guys have the chokepoint and all the land beyond it
[16:38] WhiteBandit- and GCA territory
[16:38] Kentonio- we certainly do and you have a nice little outcrop to the east and god knows what to the west
[16:38] Kentonio- GCA territory?!? lol
[16:38] GhengisFarb_CDG- So we are allowed to settle 7 tiles to the west and south of Apolyton?
[16:39] BigFree- yes GF, I believe that is correct
[16:39] OblongCubit- Kentonio
[16:40] Kentonio- yeah trip?
[16:40] OblongCubit- if our Warrior to the northeast of your most recent city moved 1 tile east would that be okay?
[16:40] GhengisFarb_CDG- 7 tiles would give you the bulk of the land
[16:40] WhiteBandit- but... you have GCA territory
[16:40] WhiteBandit- hehe, i jest of course, ignore me
[16:41] Kentonio- let me loomk at the screens
[16:41] OblongCubit- Kentonio: okay, thanks
[16:41] GhengisFarb_CDG- No, GCA has GCA territory, that's why its called GCA territory
[16:41] Kentonio- you mean onto the dyes trip?
[16:41] OblongCubit- no
[16:41] OblongCubit- right now the dyes would be 2 tiles away
[16:41] BigFree- 7 tiles only gives us the bulk of the land that is 4between 1us and not including the other ares to your NorthWest
[16:42] OblongCubit- have you gotten the most recent turn?
[16:42] WhiteBandit- GF, I'm referring to the meetings between CFC, yourselves and us... sorry if you don't get the joke :P
[16:42] GhengisFarb_CDG- I don't think I love you anymore
[16:42] WhiteBandit- it was bound to happen
[16:42] GhengisFarb_CDG- GodKing can sleep safe at night
[16:43] Kentonio- oh northeast!
[16:43] OblongCubit- yes
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[16:43] Kentonio- feel free
[16:43] OblongCubit- heya MRex
[16:43] MRex- hey guys
[16:43] OblongCubit- Kentonio: is that tile okay?
[16:43] GhengisFarb_CDG- hey MRex
[16:43] Kentonio- its away from us, why would we mind?
[16:44] OblongCubit- Kentonio: I didn't know if our warrior would be trapped there
[16:44] GhengisFarb_CDG- If it is, we can "free" him for you
[16:44] Togas- back
[16:44] Togas- just tying things up at the office, about to head home for the weekend
[16:44] Kentonio- im confused trip, whats the city you talking about
[16:45] OblongCubit- Kentonio: you said that if our Warriors stay where they are, then they'll become "trapped"
[16:45] OblongCubit- I'm trying to figure out where our Warriors can move where they won't be "trapped" when you place your cities
[16:45] Kentonio- im talking about BigFluffyBunny and BigFree
[16:45] * OblongCubit is now known as Trip-
[16:45] GhengisFarb_CDG- about time
[16:45] GhengisFarb_CDG- Count Tripula
[16:45] MRex- so that is why i didn't recognize you trip
[16:46] Trip--
[16:46] GhengisFarb_CDG- You didn't recognize all the :P's
[16:46] GhengisFarb_CDG- :P
[16:46] MRex- just got here
[16:46] Togas- we having any luck with the border?
[16:47] GhengisFarb_CDG- 4 tiles from APolyton
[16:47] Kentonio- lol
[16:47] Togas- :
[16:47] BigFree- uh yeah.....
[16:47] Trip-- Kento?
[16:47] BigFree- the line would extend from the NorthWest to the SouthEast, on a diagnal 7 tiles SoutWest from Apolyton.
[16:47] BigFree- that was my lastes proposal to them
[16:48] GhengisFarb_CDG- So 4 tiles. We are in agreement?
[16:48] * BigFree slaps GhengisFarb_CDG around a bit with a large trout
[16:48] Togas- I actually forgot that GF was on CDG! It's been so long since we've heard from you!
[16:48] Kentonio- 7/5 is not happening, much as we would love to give you another source of iron and some dye it seems a little over generous
[16:48] WhiteBandit- no way!
[16:48] Togas- ??
[16:48] WhiteBandit- it's all in the name of love
[16:48] WhiteBandit- just ask GF
[16:48] Kentonio- lmao
[16:49] GhengisFarb_CDG- Where is your headless friend
[16:49] WhiteBandit- not sure to tell you the truth, probably haunting people
[16:49] Togas- GK does the SPDG and spooks us in the RP forum.
[16:50] BigFree- 7/5 does not give us the other Iron
[16:50] Togas- anyhow, borders borders borders ... I need to look at the map, but I'm 99% sure we only get 1 iron in the deal.
[16:50] BigFree- it would be on your side
[16:50] * WhiteBandit is now known as ShowerBandit
[16:50] BigFree- that dye tile would be ours in a 6/6 deal
[16:51] GhengisFarb_CDG- So the 7 tiles, you are saying our cultural borders can't extend beyond the 7th tile, meaning we would have to settle a city site 9 tiels away?
[16:51] * E_T hands ShowerBandit some soap on a rope...
[16:51] Kentonio- nope, we are already closer than that
[16:51] GhengisFarb_CDG- DON"T BEND OVER!
[16:51] Togas- can't settle beyond the line, can't control Cultural borders
[16:52] BigFree- no team is responsible for the extension of the cultural border's
[16:52] Togas- if your culture crosses the line, you'd get the land.
[16:52] ShowerBandit- don't worry, i have my "E_T proof" underwear on
[16:52] Togas- only fair way to do it
[16:52] ShowerBandit- anyways, i'll be back in a bit
[16:52] E_T- not around this croud....
[16:53] GhengisFarb_CDG- so any citysite of ours would have to be 7 tiles from Apolyton? What is the 5 for?
[16:53] Togas- Looking at the map now, Cuido is build on your side of our proposed 7 tile line ... if you built it one tile more NE, it would be 6 tiles.
[16:53] Togas- we'd probably just use Cuido as a marker, then.
[16:53] BigFree- agreed
[16:54] Kentonio- im still dying to hear one good reason why we should give you 7 tiles and recieve 5
[16:54] Togas- because.
[16:54] BigFree- Cuido's border alredy extends past your side of the 7/5 border, but we are cool with that
[16:54] Togas- no, seriously, we were annoyed about the chokepoint earlier
[16:55] Togas- told Louis about it, and came up with the 7 tile thing as a fallback
[16:55] BigFree- exactly
[16:55] Kentonio- im sure you were but you can hardly lay claim to a square that far away
[16:55] Togas- it was the result of us not getting access to CFC
[16:55] BigFree- or any luxes over ther
[16:55] BigFree- or resources
[16:55] Kentonio- you dont have access to GCA either, lifes a *****
[16:55] BigFree- 12:4)1
[16:55] Togas- We originally wanted a heck of a lot more land than this... we're not all that pleased about being stuck in the corner of the map
[16:56] GhengisFarb_CDG- Cuido is easily 7 tiles away from APoly so I don't see what your beef is
[16:56] Togas- no beef about Cuido at all
[16:56] BigFree- we have no beef with Cuido, it is fine
[16:56] Kentonio- and we are not massively pleased about being squeezed in teh middle like the filling in a sandwich either
[16:56] Togas- hey, you guys wanted a border, not us
[16:56] Togas- we were happy just to sign a Non-Agg and go on with life
[16:57] BigFree- with you ability to expand past the choke point, you have way mpre land than us
[16:57] GhengisFarb_CDG- I don't need no stinkin border
[16:57] Kentonio- lol
[16:57] Togas-
[16:57] Kentonio- we have a boder in 2 turns or so anyway
[16:57] BigFree- 12:4)1
[16:57] BigFree- where is that city going exactly?
[16:57] GhengisFarb_CDG- in the jungle
[16:57] Kentonio- northwest of that hill
[16:57] BigFree- we told of of our near the Horsees
[16:58] GhengisFarb_CDG- is that exact enough
[16:58] BigFree- ok
[16:58] BigFree- we will clea the area
[16:58] Kentonio- thank you
[16:58] BigFree- np
[16:58] Kentonio- and your southern 2 warriors?
[16:58] BigFree- we really want good realtions with you guys
[16:58] BigFree- but we want to be fair about things too
[16:58] Togas- we'll keep moving our people out of your borders if they happen to fall into 'em.
[16:59] Kentonio- not good enough, as i said your warriors are about to be trapped, how exactly are you going to keep moving within a steadily decreasing circle?
[16:59] BigFree- yes, we don't want to hold up any of youactions
[17:00] Togas- we'll deal. We have Mapmaking. It's not a problem.
[17:00] GhengisFarb_CDG- What luxuries have you discovered in your areas?
[17:00] BigFree- we can move them oput of the area as soon as you tell us where the other city will go that will trap them, so we can plan moving them in that direction
[17:00] Togas- we have dyes and incense.
[17:00] Kentonio- so basically you are going to keep 2 warriors behind our border
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Chat with CDG Part 2 of 2
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[17:01] Togas- there is no border
[17:01] Kentonio- and you expect us to go 'oh ok then' ?
[17:01] Togas- until we agree on one
[17:01] Kentonio- i would define a solid line of cities between us as a border no?
[17:01] BigFree- yes
[17:01] Togas- there is no solid line of cities between us
[17:01] GhengisFarb_CDG- Amu warriors in another civs' territory should be free game to get killed
[17:01] BigFree- but you donot have one now
[17:02] Kentonio- am i speaking in swahili over here? There will be a city in 2 turns and another not long after, the tiny gap will be sealed prior to the last city anyway
[17:03] BigFree- right, we know about the second city, but we fail to see how that traps us, there's another city that needs to be palced before that happens, no?
[17:04] Togas- If you guys give us enough room, we won't complain. We have plenty of time before you seal anything off.
[17:04] GhengisFarb_CDG- So its okay to kill your units if they are in our cultural borders?
[17:04] BigFree- lol
[17:04] Togas- we've deal with that problem in the past and gotten along just fine.
[17:04] BigFree- at least give them one turn to exit. 12:4)1
[17:04] GhengisFarb_CDG- Deal, one turn then we can kill them
[17:04] BigFree- 12:4P1
[17:05] GhengisFarb_CDG- No renegging
[17:05] Togas- :P
[17:05] Togas- Remind me again why we're giving you Assylum in Spain?
[17:05] GhengisFarb_CDG- Ooooh, is that going through?
[17:05] Kentonio- there will be a 2 square gap prior to the second city being built. This gap will be blocked by warriors. You have roughly a dozen turns to move your warriors in the south or they become trapped permenantly. We will not tolerate foreign warriors 01,9901wandering around in the middle of our nation. Is that so strange?01,99
[17:05] Togas-
[17:05] BigFree- Let me put it like this, if you agree to the 7/5 we will begin evacuating our troops to our side of the border.
[17:06] BigFree- we will have them on our side way before the 12 turns or so is up.
[17:06] GhengisFarb_CDG- How about a border of 6 tiles for free range warriors
[17:07] Togas- no reason for that. 7 tile with bonus tiles for culture, so if your cities all expand before ours, you guys get even more land anyhow
[17:07] BigFree- you mean a 7/5 border for settleing, but you can have your warriors at 6 tiles?
[17:07] Togas- basicly, if you build ON the 7 tile line, you get 6 anyhow due to culture
[17:07] BigFree- exatly
[17:08] GhengisFarb_CDG- Wjere
[17:08] BigFree- look at Cuido
[17:08] GhengisFarb_CDG- s Where's Kentonio and MRex?
[17:08] Togas- If you're standing is Cuido, you're exatly 7 tiles from us.
[17:08] MRex- MRex is here
[17:08] Togas- If you move NE, you're now 6 tiles, but still within your borders
[17:09] Togas- due to the cultural borders
[17:09] Kentonio- how can we agree a 7 square line when we already have a city within that exactly?
[17:09] Togas- we see no problem
[17:09] Togas- you guys build right on the line. That's fair.
[17:09] BigFree- yep
[17:09] Togas- that what we would have done
[17:10] Kentonio- im really confused now, previously it was fine but under your new proposal it wouldnt be fine
[17:10] GhengisFarb_CDG- A lot more than that, the Iron on the mountain is 7 tiles and Cuido is farther than that
[17:10] BigFree- the iron would fall on your side
[17:10] Togas- You guys get the iron that is NW of Cuido
[17:10] Togas- I'll make it real simple:
[17:11] Togas- Build any city you want along the line of tiles that runs NW - SE of Cuido
[17:11] Togas- and build anywhere behind it
[17:11] Togas- the line goes shore to shore, of course.
[17:12] Togas- that area and everything behind it = your land
[17:12] Kentonio- so 6 tiles from apolytonia then not 7, so why do you keep saying 7?!?!
[17:12] * BigFree mubles that if we had MM we could simply draw a line
[17:12] Togas- plus any cultural borders that develop ... UNLESS our cultural borders take over some of that land
[17:12] BigFree- Cuido is 7 tiles from Apolyton
[17:12] * ShowerBandit is now known as WhiteBandit
[17:13] Kentonio- yes but you have been talking about opoly gettin g a 7 tile line!
[17:13] Togas- don't confuse yourself too much with 6 or 7, just use Cuido
[17:13] BigFree- yes
[17:13] Kentonio- and would that agreement also include a promise not to build beside that western iron deposit
[17:13] Trip-- of course
[17:13] BigFree- yes, we could agre to that
[17:13] GhengisFarb_CDG- Can we have the coastal Dye resource?
[17:13] Togas- I don't think it's on our side anyhow... but I could be wrong
[17:13] BigFree- that Iron would be your
[17:14] BigFree- we would sign an agreemnt tothat
[17:15] BigFree- no, the coastal dye would be ours
[17:15] Kentonio- may i ask where you are intending to put this city then, because from what i can see of the map the only thing you gain is a possible square closer on the east coast
[17:15] Togas- you guys would have that coastal dye to the SE of Cuido SO LONG AS our cultural borders doesn't snag is. Cultural borders trump this agreement.
[17:15] Togas- we're building a city next to the horses.
[17:16] BigFree- I think he means on or near the border Togas
[17:16] Togas- not sure otherwise ... they're discussing changing the queue around now with your city so close
[17:16] GhengisFarb_CDG- I could see agreeing to this agreement if we are allowed to build a city two tiles from the coastal Dye, thus that would be the greatest extent of our influence.
[17:16] Kentonio- i just dont see how this extra square youve fought for so hard actually helps you in any way
[17:17] GhengisFarb_CDG- We need to agree not to build any city that would steal cultural area from the other civ.
[17:17] WhiteBandit- it's sacred indian burial ground of our ancestors :P
[17:17] Kentonio- lmao
[17:17] GhengisFarb_CDG- You have no ancestors
[17:17] BigFree- let me check the MAp GF
[17:17] Togas- can't agree to that. In the end, both of our cultures can steal territory of the other. We just have to accept that and agree not to build or travel behond the line
[17:18] Trip-- we could agree to a line which our CULTURAL BORDERS couldn't cross
[17:18] Togas- each of us get a fair shot at using temples/libraries to get more land
[17:18] GhengisFarb_CDG- AHa! The grand scheme exposed!
[17:18] Kentonio- i think he means settling so the city IMMEDIATELY steals territory
[17:18] BigFree- GF, two tiles form that coastal dye would be within our border's
[17:18] BigFree- brb
[17:18] GhengisFarb_CDG- I know I want to get that site 'grandfather" i so we can still settle there
[17:19] GhengisFarb_CDG- "grandfathered" in
[17:20] Togas- how about we keep this simple instead.
[17:20] BigFree- I think we hav a city planned to sit on top of that dye, so it would'n't work for you GF.
[17:20] GhengisFarb_CDG- We have a city planned for that too
[17:20] Kentonio- honestly togas, is this whole thing just an excuse to claim those eastern dyes?
[17:21] Togas- hey, you wanted a border
[17:21] Kentonio- the ones below cuido i mean
[17:21] BigFree- GF, but Imean exactly on top of it.
[17:21] BigFree- all of the dyes below Cuido belong to CDG
[17:21] Trip-- the eastern dyes would be ours with a 6 or 7 tile line
[17:21] Togas- I'm not going to waste my time on some elaborate deception just to get one extra dye. we have plenty of dyes
[17:21] GhengisFarb_CDG- We had planned on imediately adjacent to it which wouldn't have allowed your city
[17:21] Togas- do you guys want a border or not? We can just do a NAP instead.
[17:22] BigFree- depends on whose city got ther first...
[17:22] Kentonio- so what is the point in this extra square?!?! it gains you nothing except potentially one extra dye!
[17:22] Togas- do a Nap and may the civ with the most granaries win
[17:22] GhengisFarb_CDG- Our settlers practice sprints
[17:22] BigFree- it gives us nore land to exapnd, we are limited right now as it is
[17:22] Togas- If you guys don't like it, fine.
[17:22] Togas- We tried to tell Louis no border, but he said you guys insisted on one
[17:22] BigFree- I thnink it is a fair line
[17:23] Togas- we have plenty of granaries and can pump out settlers galore
[17:23] Kentonio- fair in that you get more than us, interesting definition of fair
[17:23] BigFree- and we promise to withdraw or Warriors as well
[17:23] BigFree- kent, it is only MORE if you only consider the tiles in between us andnot all the other tiles.
[17:24] GhengisFarb_CDG- This ISDG rules are a pain in the butt, this would be so much easier if we could draw and trade maps
[17:24] BigFree- If the game ahd begun with us on some coast on you in the middle of a continent, it wouldn't be fair to draw the line in the middle of us, woud it?
[17:24] Togas- how close are you guys to Philo?
[17:25] Kentonio- lol, maybe we should do a tile counmt of that space to your west and east because right now you are looking a lot more spacious than us and its all free land not contested like we have
[17:25] WhiteBandit- what is so hard to understand about the line the Cuido is on that runs from NW to the SE?
[17:25] Togas- Ken, if you don't want a border, say so
[17:25] Togas- I dont' really care for one myself
[17:25] BigFree- kent, I assure you, you have access to more land than we do
[17:25] Togas- let's just sign a NAP and be friends again. Border arguments just wear me out.
[17:25] GhengisFarb_CDG- I remember that line before
[17:25] BigFree- that is why we feel strongly about this 7/5 border
[17:26] BigFree- I think we ncan be god neighbors with this line
[17:26] GhengisFarb_CDG- You consider yourselves gods?
[17:26] BigFree- LOL
[17:26] BigFree- *good
[17:26] Kentonio- we feel strongly about negotiations that only work one way too, like agressive acts that are only aggressive when we do it, and 'fair' lines that are fairer to some than others
[17:27] BigFree- I can see your point
[17:27] Kentonio- why does everything have to be tipped to your side when we are your equals?
[17:27] Togas- ???
[17:27] GhengisFarb_CDG- We are not equals, they are gods
[17:27] BigFree- but Istill feel that APO would have lees land to settle in if we aree to a 6/6 border
[17:27] Togas- If you think it's tipped, then I can't convince you otherwise, because I can't see how you come to that conclusion.
[17:28] GhengisFarb_CDG- Me either but I'm confused with the 6/6 7/5 stuff
[17:28] Togas- I can't PROVE anything to you. We believe this is fair, if you don't then let's just dismiss it and move on.
[17:28] Togas- I'm not all that patient, as GF can probably attest to.
[17:28] BigFree- maube you guys need to discuss it more with your team
[17:28] Kentonio- how can you not see a 7-5 spilt as unfair togas?!? just look at the numbers, they are not the same, and thus they are not equal!
[17:28] BigFree- Kent
[17:28] Togas- Because I'm looking at the WHOLE MAP
[17:28] BigFree- Listen to my example
[17:29] Kentonio- ok bf
[17:29] BigFree- imagine a land mass with tow civs on it
[17:29] BigFree- one is satrted on the Norther tip
[17:29] GhengisFarb_CDG- Let's just agree to not settle the 7/5 6/6 stuff right now, I think it is more likely to start bad feelings than resolve anything
[17:29] BigFree- one is started in the middle of it
[17:30] Kentonio- i see your example bf, unfortunatley there are not just 2 civs on this continent
[17:30] BigFree- if you drew a line exactly in the middle, the one who started in the middle gets 2/3 of the land while the other gets 1/3
[17:30] E_T- Let me get this straight, Euclidia wants to renogotiate the boarder, so that they have more land from what was originally desicided, along time ago
[17:30] Kentonio- no et
[17:30] E_T- becaus Euclidia wanted that border to begin with
[17:30] Kentonio- we want a firming up of the line we have agreed to in the past
[17:30] GhengisFarb_CDG- No Apoly wants to renegotiate the border
[17:30] BigFree- 4 can everyone be quiet except me Toags kent and GF
[17:31] Kentonio- we just want to continue like before but with a solid border not just a no-settle line
[17:31] BigFree- so, kent, form my example, the nubers of tiles in between is is reltive to our start points and the tiles that surround us.
[17:31] GhengisFarb_CDG- It is going to be difficult to draw a border without being able to trade maps
[17:32] Kentonio- yes exept it ignores the two hungry civs sat behind us bf
[17:32] BigFree- I don't think so GF
[17:32] BigFree- 12:4)1
[17:32] Togas- map trading will be possible with MM. We can wait for that tech, it's very close, you just need Philosophy
[17:32] Kentonio- im sure we can manage until then
[17:32] BigFree- that may be, kent,butthat is for you to deal with, APO has to try and decide what is fair for us and for CDG since that is all we can see
[17:32] Togas- doesn't sound like it
[17:32] GhengisFarb_CDG- The problem from our end is that both CFC and GCA are making aggressive border demands also
[17:33] Trip-- GF: I thought GCA had already made the border
[17:33] * WhiteBandit sets mode: +o E_T
[17:34] * E_T sets mode: +o GhengisFarb_CDG
[17:34] * E_T sets mode: +o Kentonio
[17:34] * E_T sets mode: +m
[17:36] Togas- Are we otherwise happy? Can we at least sign a NAP and then let each side think about it, discuss in private, come back?
[17:37] Kentonio- can you give us 2 secs, we just got to discuss something quickly
[17:37] Togas- np
[17:37] * E_T sets mode: -o E_T
[17:37] GhengisFarb_CDG- "quickly" is in the eyes of the beholder
[17:37] Kentonio- lol
[17:50] * ZargonX has left #ISDGFAMTALKS
[17:50] Kentonio- ok, we back
[17:51] BigFree- ok
[17:51] GhengisFarb_CDG- yes we have decided to give you all our cities and join your team
[17:51] BigFree- 12:4)1
[17:51] Togas- arty:
[17:52] Kentonio- ok how about we tell eachother where our border cities are going to go and see if theres any actual conflict or whether we are arguing obver nothing?
[17:52] BigFree- that would be a whoot
[17:52] Kentonio- lmao
[17:53] GhengisFarb_CDG- That would scare the bejesus out of GCA and CFC
[17:53] * BigFree sets mode: +v E_T
[17:53] E_T- hello again
[17:54] BigFree- GF, we are checkingto see if the city you wanted 3-3-6 form Cuido, is cool, so farit looks ok to us to be "grandfatheed" in, but let us check for jus a bit more, ok?
[17:57] BigFree- ok
[17:58] GhengisFarb_CDG- ok
[17:58] BigFree- we have looked it over and it doesn't cause too much trouble for us, we can slightly alter our plans to allow you to settle a city 3-3-6 form Cuido is we agree to the 7/5 tile border agreement.
[17:58] Kentonio- whats 3-3-6 please? noone actually told me
[17:59] BigFree- we will begin immediate removal of our Warriors upon this agreemnt also
[17:59] Togas- SE, SE, E in builder-geek code.
[17:59] BigFree- 3-3-6 is kep pad movements from Cuido
[18:00] WhiteBandit- in BigFree-Speak, that means keypad
[18:00] GhengisFarb_CDG- I am not sure if it was 3-3-6 or 3-6
[18:00] Kentonio- and you agree to not settle beside the iron on the westb coast?
[18:01] Togas- we will agree to settle within 1 tile of that iron.
[18:01] Togas- agree NOT TO settle
[18:01] Togas- sorry
[18:01] Kentonio- lol
[18:01] BigFree- lol
[18:01] GhengisFarb_CDG- The truth comes out...............
[18:02] * Togas blushes
[18:02] Kentonio- hehe
[18:02] BigFree- GF; 3-6 is on your side of the 7/5 agreemnt 3-3-6 is on our side
[18:02] Kentonio- then i think we have a deal gentlemen
[18:02] BigFree- so I think you want the 3-3-6
[18:02] BigFree- cool
[18:03] * Togas whews
[18:03] BigFree- we can wrie up an "officail" proposal and send it to you soon
[18:03] Togas- now I can eat.
[18:03] Kentonio- actually thank you
[18:03] GhengisFarb_CDG- I am a little confused on this 3-3-5/7-6/6 stuff but someone will keep me in line
[18:03] BigFree- lol
[18:03] BigFree- let me help you GF
[18:03] * BigFree slaps GhengisFarb_CDG around a bit with a large trout
[18:03] BigFree- did that help?
[18:03] GhengisFarb_CDG- That didn't help
[18:03] GhengisFarb_CDG- Can I discuss my assylum after this?
[18:04] BigFree- LOL
[18:04] BigFree- sure
[18:04] WhiteBandit- sssh, other PTWDG team members will be reading this log ;P
[18:04] BigFree- though you habve to promise to learn to be a builder
[18:04] Togas- builder? We don't need no stickin' builders! We need warmongers!
[18:05] GhengisFarb_CDG- Opps, I ask the court reporter to strike those statements from the record
[18:05] Togas- I'll ask BF to strike this part of the log
[18:05] WhiteBandit- and don't forget the part where we make fun of panag too
[18:05] BigFree- LOL
[18:05] Togas-
[18:05] GhengisFarb_CDG- Oh yes and where Shiber goes to town on panag
[18:06] GhengisFarb_CDG- All of Shiber's comments should be struck from the log
[18:06] * WhiteBandit sets mode: -m
[18:06] * BigFree sets mode: +ooo E_T MRex Trip-
[18:06] * BigFree sets mode: +o Wervdon
[18:06] MRex- woohoo, i can talk again
[18:06] Togas- anyhow, good to see you all
[18:07] BigFree- sorry rex
[18:07] Togas- I'm outta here. Food calls
[18:07] E_T- Panag should just be struck...
[18:07] Kentonio- bye togas
[18:07] Togas- Goodbye all, thanks forcoming Ken
[18:07] GhengisFarb_CDG- bye
[18:07] BigFree- adios
[18:07] Togas- And GF & MRex too
[18:07] MRex- bye togas
[18:07] Togas- laterz
[18:07] * Togas has quit IRC (Quit: )
[18:08] WhiteBandit- make sure you strike out the part of the log where i make fun of togas too
[18:08] WhiteBandit- ;P
[18:08] BigFree- LOL
[18:14] Kentonio- well night all *waves*
[18:14] Trip-- 'Til lata
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[18:14] MRex- yeah, i got to go too, ttyl
[18:14] Trip-- see ya MR
[18:14] Trip--
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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:34
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at the same time the CFC chat was going on, we had another with CDG in which they agreed to the NAP and Border proposal (minus the "extra tile" bit), only difference was 40 turns instead of 30 which actually serves our purposes better. For more info, check the FA: Elucidia thread.
-MZ
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Session Start: Sun Jun 15 19:55:02 2003
Session Ident: #isdgfamtalks
[19:55] * Now talking in #isdgfamtalks
[19:55] * Topic is 'Welcome to the CDG-APO Embassy! Please notify persons in this channel once you arrive so that we know you are here. We may be idle but we will return shortly, please be patient. Thank you. :)'
[19:55] * Set by BigFree on Thu Jun 12 05:59:55
[19:55] [MRex] hello :)
[19:55] [MasterZen] hello :D
[19:55] [MRex] CDG is just about willing to go along with the 3 way alliance between us, CFC, and you, but first we need a NAP with you guys. It is to last 40 turns and must be signed tonight.
[19:55] [MRex] the glories of copy/paste ;)
[19:55] [MasterZen] hehehe
[19:58] [MRex] reactions? anyone?
[19:58] [MasterZen] sorry, I'm in 3 chats right now :D
[19:58] [MRex] 3?! i'm in 5 :p
[19:58] [nye] one moment, MRex
[19:58] [MasterZen] hehehe, damn, you beat me :D
[19:59] [MRex] lol take your time :)
[20:00] [MasterZen] ok, here's the deal
[20:00] [MasterZen] we were currently discussing a NAP with you guys, this whole CFC-GCA thing has taken us by surprise as you can well imagine
[20:01] [MRex] yes, it has taken us by surprise too :)
[20:01] [MasterZen] basically we were considering a 30 turn NAP, with are team most likely agreeing to it
[20:01] [MasterZen] *our team
[20:02] [Louis_XXIV] Hi, I went away for a little bit
[20:03] [MasterZen] we were also looking for a temp. right of passage so our units in each of our lands could go back
[20:03] [Louis_XXIV] Now I'm back ;)
[20:03] [nye] i think that is built into the border agreement, MZ
[20:03] [nye] right of return, or something
[20:03] [MasterZen] yes, "right of return" sorry
[20:04] * E_T is now known as E_T_outside_smoking
[20:04] * E_T_outside_smoking .
[20:05] [Louis_XXIV] Is there anyway the deal could last 40 turns?
[20:06] [Louis_XXIV] 0I am writing a message in white
[20:06] [MasterZen] We can discuss it, since our previous deal was 30 turns we felt that time frame was well enough
[20:07] [Louis_XXIV] I know, but the more the better ;)
[20:07] [MasterZen] well then how about 100? :D
[20:08] [Louis_XXIV] lmao
[20:08] [Louis_XXIV] Think about 40 (we have to start somewhere)
[20:09] [MasterZen] I see no problem with it, however, the team might feel differently so I'll have to ask first
[20:10] [MasterZen] but here's the deal, its very likely we WON'T get back to you tonight, it's too short a time frame
[20:10] [MasterZen] unless Togas comes back online, I don't have the last word on FAM matters, I hope you understand this
[20:11] [MRex] hey guys i'm back :)
[20:11] [MRex] i've read up, i hope we can agree to the 40 turn deal :)
[20:12] [MRex] Is there no way we can sign this tonight? It is important.
[20:12] [nye] we understand that, MRex
[20:12] [nye] i am waiting for one of two other people to show up.
[20:12] [MasterZen] yes, that's the problem. If it were up to us here...
[20:13] [MasterZen] now, why the hurry?
[20:13] [MasterZen] I mean, you could get an answer in 24 hrs more than certainly, perhaps much less
[20:14] [nye] MZ. They sit on the save. their action depend on our status
[20:14] [MasterZen] oh they have the save? ok..
[20:19] [MRex] no, we sent the save AFAIK. that isn't the issue
[20:19] [MRex] we need this signed to agree to the deal with CFC immediately.
[20:20] [MRex] that is important to everyone
[20:20] [MasterZen] yes I understand, we are discussing this at this moment, give us a minute..
[20:20] * E_T_outside_smoking is now known as E_T
[20:21] [E_T] [E_T] ah, nicotine
[20:22] [MasterZen] ok, were done
[20:22] [MasterZen] here's the deal
[20:23] [MasterZen] oops, brb..
[20:26] [MasterZen] back
[20:26] [MasterZen] ok, this is what we've decided upon
[20:27] [MasterZen] I will show you the agreement as is (i.e I'm copy/pasting from the forum)
[20:27] [MasterZen] you guys still here? kinda quiet...
[20:28] [Louis_XXIV] Hi ;)
[20:28] [MasterZen] ok, this is the agreement:
[20:28] [MRex] yes, we are waiting :)
[20:28] [MasterZen] 4APOLYTONIA AND ELUCIDIA HEREBY AGREE:
[20:28] [MasterZen] That there shall be peace between our nations and sign this agreement with the intention of maintaining friendly and beneficial relations. We hereby promise:
[20:28] [MasterZen] That neither party shall commit any hostile acts for the duration of this agreement.
[20:29] [MasterZen] Hostile acts include, but are not limited to: Attacking any unit, capturing a worker, entering cultural borders without permission, remaining inside cultural borders without permission, pillaging a road or improvements.
[20:29] [MasterZen] Both parties agree to respect the cultural borders and the agreed upon border between us. Neither party will enter or cross into the borders of the other without permission.
[20:29] [MasterZen] We agree that the border between us shall be a line that runs along the NE edge of Cuido de Alcohol, going NW and SE until it hits the water.
[20:30] [MasterZen] However, given the natural of the shifting of Cultural Borders, should the cultural borders of either party include land on the other side of this border, that land shall be "taken over by culture" and shall lawfully belong to the nation who's culture has captured it. Cultural Borders supercede the agreed upon border.
[20:30] [MasterZen] Upon the ratification of this treaty, all units within the borders of the other nation shall immediately be moved and allowed to be moved by the other team, to their side of the border using the most direct route. If the only route inludes traversing through another teams cultural borders, it shall be allowed by the other team. If a team wants another team to follow a specific route, then they may request it, but it must be as close to a direct route as reasonably possible.
[20:30] [MasterZen] Any violation of this treaty by one party allows the other party to void the treaty and report the offending party to the UN.
[20:30] [MasterZen] This treaty shall last 30 turns after it is ratified by both parties.
[20:31] [MasterZen] 4 Modified, 40 turns
[20:31] [MasterZen] everything else as is
[20:31] [nye] the missing clause is...but it must be as close to a direct route as reasonably possible.
[20:31] [MasterZen] 4This treaty shall last 40 turns after it is ratified by both parties.
[20:31] [MRex] ok, one sec :)
[20:32] [MasterZen] we will agree to this treaty as it stands on the spot as, me acting as Deputy foreign affairs minister, and nye as Consul of Apolytonia
[20:33] [E_T] and because Bigfree was here when the terms were worked out, then that is technically 2 of our 3 consuls
[20:33] [MasterZen] yes
[20:33] [MasterZen] we also just made a quickie vote in our chat room and most people agree to it
[20:33] [MasterZen] ;)
[20:34] [E_T] which was also the % of the main forum vote for and against it, so we are cool in that respect, too
[20:35] [MasterZen] yes, again, we will accept this treaty as is (with the 40 turns of course :D )
[20:35] [Louis_XXIV] Hold on :)
[20:35] [MRex] CDG agrees to your treaty. :D
[20:35] [MRex] Consider it signed :D
[20:35] [nye] signed
[20:36] [MRex] excellent :)
[20:36] [Louis_XXIV] :party:
[20:36] [MasterZen] :dance:
[20:36] [nye] we hope that things work out with cfc and gca
[20:36] [MRex] nice doing business with you gentlemen :)
[20:36] [nye] we also understand your need for security if your assistance is required
[20:36] [MasterZen] always is with you ;)
[20:37] [nye] and with you people, MRex
[20:39] [Louis_XXIV] Oh, almost forgot
[20:39] [Louis_XXIV] Can we get a transcript?
[20:39] [E_T] yes??
[20:39] [MasterZen] chat log? sure
[20:39] [Louis_XXIV] Thanks :)
[20:39] [MasterZen] I'll send it to you Louis
[20:39] [MRex] i have the transcript already :)
[20:39] [E_T] I'll send it to you, what's your e-mail addy?
[20:39] [MRex] but you can send it if you want :)
[20:39] [nye] we will send a less fractured version along by mail, shortly
[20:40] [Louis_XXIV] epsilon530@aol.com
[20:40] [Louis_XXIV] Rex, you do? Then i won't need it :)
[20:40] [MRex] the wonders of trillian ;)
[20:41] [MasterZen] ok, so I don't send it?
[20:41] [Louis_XXIV] Good night :)
[20:41] [MRex] if you make a less fractured version, great :)
[20:42] [MasterZen] well, actually I got here late, perhaps it's better if someone else sent it
[20:42] [Louis_XXIV] Somebody needs to send it ;)
[20:43] [E_T] MZ, you got here right after I did, in this that is
[20:44] [E_T] BRB
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[20:44] [MasterZen] ok, I'll send it, I think the important part was the treaty part
[20:45] [nye] Rex has the log
[20:45] [MasterZen] oh ok
[20:45] [nye] what they need is a better copy of the treaty.
[20:45] [Louis_XXIV] Yeah
[20:45] [nye] You cut one sentence in the middle
[20:45] [nye] last big paragraph
[20:46] [MasterZen] oh yes, the part you added
[20:46] [MasterZen] ok, let me re-write it, re-paste it, and send it formally ok?
[20:46] [Louis_XXIV] Cool
[20:46] [MasterZen] gimme a minute... ;)
[20:47] [nye] just email it. :)
[20:47] [MasterZen] ok, I'll send it right now, Louis can check it immediately and confirm it is good, ok?
[20:47] [Louis_XXIV] Just a sec
[20:48] [MasterZen] haven't sent it yet...
[20:48] [Louis_XXIV] Ah, let me know when you do :)
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[20:49] [E_T] log sent to louis and nye
[20:51] [Louis_XXIV] Looks like a got it! :D
[20:52] [Louis_XXIV] Alright, I'm going to have to get some sleep
[20:52] [Louis_XXIV] 4Good night
[20:53] [MRex] we will sign it and send it back to you tonight :)
[20:53] [MRex] can we consider it signed by you guys?
[20:53] * Louis_XXIV has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
[20:54] [nye] yes, MRex
[20:54] [E_T] I do beleave so, but that's up to nye and MZ
[20:54] [MRex] very good
[20:54] [MasterZen] yes, just e-mailed to Louis...
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[20:55] [MRex] ok
[21:01] [MasterZen] oops, re-sent to Louis, first e-mail had the 30 turns
[21:01] [MasterZen] 2nd mail is now corrected with 40 turns
[21:02] * E_T slaps MasterZen around a bit with a large trout
[21:02] [MasterZen] hehehe
[21:02] [E_T] get it right...
[21:02] [E_T] :D
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[21:12] [E_T] only us chickens left...
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[21:29] * Disconnected
Session Close: Sun Jun 15 21:29:24 2003
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