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of naughty
Jan 2003
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Latest string of conversation with GWT:
Sent from us:
21-10-2003
23:54
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Hello feanor0815,
In response to your message, first of all we immediately talked to CGN when your war started about trying to find a way to end it. Unfortunately, CGN decided to continue the war and there was nothing we could do about it. Perhaps their in-game peace offer was a mistake, as you know, when you are looking at the resources of your enemy in the diplomatic screen you must have a peace treaty on the table. It seems that the game never takes it away and it appears when your enemy plays his save the next turn. This has happened with GCA too.
As for our war with GCA right now we are not in a position to negotiate with them. Our reasons for going to war were simple: GCA had become simply too powerful for us not to do anything about it. They had destroyed CDG and were close to eliminating CFC also. Our relations with CFC have been great and we would not sit idly and watch how our friends were crushed and also because we feared we were next. All of us are here to win this game, and we felt GCA to be the biggest threat. In Civ sometimes you have to go to war to accomplish this, it is not so different to what GWT did with Firaxis when you realized they had iron and you didn't. We know there is a big risk by being at war but it something we felt we had to do, just like you.
Regardless of all this, we trust we will be victorious and that peace will once again reign in our continent. However, like I said before, we do not expect this war to interfere with our relationship with your team especially with regards with the technology trades we have discussed previously.
Best regards and good luck!
-Master Zen
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No answer... then came the naval RoP issue:
23-10-2003
00:06
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Hello feanor,
I forgot to mention in the last PM I sent you a few days ago if you would allow a mutual right of passage regarding naval tiles. As you know, we have a galley which is exploring your continent and it would pass through coastal tiles which are within your cultural borders. Likewise, your galley in our continent will eventually have to do the same in our territory.
Thus, we propose a Naval Right of Passage with the following details:
1) ships of GWT and Apolyton are free to cross naval tiles which are within the cultural borders of the other.
2) these ships may not unload any troops into land tiles within the cultural borders of the other.
These conditions are accepted by us. We await your reply.
Best regards,
-Master Zen
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Their reply (finally)
26-10-2003
06:01
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Hello Master Zen,
I regret to say that we can't let you ship
through our territorial waters right now and
we ask you to leave our seas immediately.
We expect an official excuse for that non
requested intrusion in our waters. With
actions like that you endanger our future
trades yourselves.
Therefore those rumors solidified to the fact
that you ambushed GCA breaking a peace treaty,
we wonder if you can be a reliable trade partner.
feanor0815
Webringen Ambassador
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Apology after hearding from the galley intrusion incident:
26-10-2003
12:59
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On behalf of Apolyton an apology for having moved that galley in your cultural borders. This had been a mistake on the part of the person who played the turn. The rest of the team did not notice until the last turn upon which withdrew the galley.
-MasterZen
Ambassador
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time: 21:34
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Start of #isdgfamtalks buffer: Sun Oct 26 20:46:30 2003
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channel so that we know you are here. We will respond as soon as we can. Thanks.
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[16:13:34] croxis- how much longer until the chat
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[16:15:26] MasterZen- hi
[16:15:36] croxis- hello
[16:15:38] MasterZen- well, Octavian and I agreed to at 9
[16:15:41] MasterZen- cst
[16:16:05] croxis- which makes it..... 8 pst?
[16:16:05] MasterZen- so I guess in 2 hours, but I'll be here anyway in case you
guys show up before
[16:16:24] MasterZen- according to my watch it's 7:12pm
[16:16:39] croxis- its 4:11 here
[16:16:41] E_T- it may be because of the time change
[16:16:44] croxis- which makes it... 6:00
[16:17:39] E_T- 9 PM CST is 10 PM EST and it's only 7:11 EST now
[16:18:06] MasterZen- damn, I thought my pc automatically adjusted
[16:18:12] MasterZen- hmm... so it's 6:11 CST then?
[16:19:41] E_T- yep
[16:19:53] croxis- ok, how many more hours is it?
[16:20:05] E_T- about 3
[16:20:24] croxis- ok
[16:20:29] croxis- 7 pst then
[16:20:49] E_T- yep
[16:20:56] croxis- stupid time zones
[16:21:03] croxis- i wish swatch tienm was more sucessful
[16:21:10] croxis- as well as my typing skills
[16:21:32] E_T- comes from having to live on a round ball
[16:21:53] croxis- meh, whos idea was that anyways?
[16:22:18] MasterZen- well, it does save some $$
[16:23:20] croxis- i guess you get what you pay for
[16:37:07] * BigFree sets mode: +oo MasterZen WhiteBandit
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[18:47:46] CivGeneral- CROXIS!!!!
[18:48:13] MWIA- Hey guys...
[18:48:16] croxis- CG!!!!!!
[18:48:27] MWIA- Um.... GUYSSS!!!!
[18:48:28] MWIA- 
[18:48:43] * CivGeneral is now known as CivGeneral[TEH
[18:48:51] * CivGeneral[TEH is now known as CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]
[18:48:55] MZ[brb]- hey
[18:49:00] * E_T is now known as E_T_smoking
[18:49:37] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- TEH_DMofF = THe Emperor's Hand and Defense
Minister of Fanatiku
[18:50:01] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- BTW
[18:50:19] croxis- lol
[18:50:59] MZ[brb]- - DFAMAEACT
[18:51:18] MZ[brb]- Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister of the Apolytonian Empire And
Conquered Territories
[18:51:47] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- k
[18:51:52] MZ[brb]- is octavian coming?
[18:51:56] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Helping Zarn getting in
[18:52:04] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- He is having Java Problems
[18:52:17] MZ[brb]- java sucks, mirc is so much easier
[18:52:25] MWIA- - Consul. One of the three who DOES things for Poly 
[18:52:32] * MZ[brb] is now known as MasterZen
[18:52:36] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Well, Zarn is having problems instaling mIRC
[18:52:49] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- He DLed it but it cant install
[18:54:19] MasterZen- I can never get the java chat to work
[18:56:00] croxis- just kick it
[18:56:15] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- No do what the Fonz does
[18:56:21] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Bash it with your fists
[18:57:05] MasterZen- usually works
[18:59:06] croxis- 7 minutes
[18:59:18] MasterZen- so we wait for them or should we start?
[18:59:26] MasterZen- i'm in no hurry btw...
[19:02:07] croxis- neither am i
[19:02:35] MasterZen- your call then
[19:03:15] croxis- 2 minutes
[19:03:21] MasterZen- ok
[19:04:55] croxis- 1 minute
[19:05:01] croxis- er
[19:05:02] croxis- 9
[19:05:04] croxis- seconds
[19:05:12] * croxis hits the bell
[19:05:16] croxis- lets start
[19:05:18] MasterZen- ding!
[19:05:25] croxis- btw fyi my pager is (croxis)
[19:05:33] MasterZen- ok, you want to speak first or shall I go?
[19:06:10] croxis- I have no idea what this meeting is about, so have at it
[19:06:13] MasterZen- ok
[19:06:26] MasterZen- well basically OctX wanted to discuss the "post-war"
situation
[19:06:40] * croxis nods
[19:06:56] MasterZen- IMO there are 3 main things that need to be discussed:
techs, treaties, and borders
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[19:07:51] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Should work for Zarn
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[19:07:52] MasterZen- err... that wasn't Zarn now was it?
[19:07:56] MasterZen- welcome!
[19:07:56] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- THere we go
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[19:08:24] Zarn- I have too many windows open... :-P
[19:08:29] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- lol
[19:08:32] croxis- well as for the boarder I have my own ideas, but I'm not sure
what the higher ups have in mind
[19:09:14] MasterZen- well you should mention it, perhaps it's in line with what
we're thinking
[19:09:24] MasterZen- btw, what positions do you guys hold?
[19:09:43] croxis- I do not hold any position
[19:09:44] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- TEH_DMofF = The Emperor's Hand and Defense
Minister of Fanatiku
[19:10:10] Zarn- Where is the president? BTW, I'm the foreign minister
[19:10:18] croxis- i have no bloody idea
[19:10:28] MasterZen- who is the prez? OctX?
[19:10:34] Zarn- Yes
[19:10:39] MasterZen- hehehe
[19:10:59] Zarn- He's probally eating a doughnut...
[19:11:03] MasterZen- yep
[19:11:12] MasterZen- daylight savings is no excuse!
[19:11:51] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- lol
[19:12:05] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Or sleeping on a doughnut
[19:12:10] MWIA- OctX is President of Fanatika?
[19:12:22] MasterZen- I have a feeling he doesn't even like doughnuts, it's
probably just a "thing"!
[19:12:25] croxis- only on weekdays
[19:12:31] MasterZen- lol!
[19:12:31] Zarn- yes, and he should be here
[19:12:35] MWIA- LOL - he;s like me - never tires of holding public office long
after perhaps he should
[19:12:52] MasterZen- sounds like me in college politics...
[19:13:18] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- lol
[19:13:42] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Zen - Just like Mara is my thing... ...Opps Im
not suppost to mention her untill next week :x
[19:13:53] Zarn- Is Oct on CFC, CG?
[19:14:02] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Zarn - Let me check
[19:14:15] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- A fine time for my MSN to crap out on Trillian
[19:14:19] Zarn- This is a Mara free meeting CG.:-\
[19:14:56] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Oct is not in the forums
[19:15:12] MasterZen- got eaten by a gigantic mutant doughnut then
[19:15:19] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- and if my MSN did not craped out with that MSN9
junk the I could tell
[19:15:29] MasterZen- oh well, let's begin
[19:15:36] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Ill log
[19:15:51] MasterZen- I'm logging too just in case you guys need me to send it
[19:16:13] croxis- ok as for terratory, my though (not endorced in any way by the
offical government), is for us to have all of our landmass, and some of the
southern part of the landmass you are on
[19:16:16] croxis- I'm logginf too
[19:17:04] Zarn- I'm not, because I don't know how and I am too lazy
[19:17:11] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- lol
[19:17:17] MasterZen- good reasons, especially the latter
[19:17:22] Zarn- hey
[19:17:33] MasterZen- actually you can't log via java
[19:17:50] MWIA- We can send you the log at the end if you like - we're on mIRC
[19:18:03] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Who knows 40J might pop in
[19:18:47] MasterZen- ok, back on the subject... I just want to brush up a few
thing before talking about borders since that's what's going to take the longest
[19:19:06] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- k
[19:19:21] MasterZen- we've been thinking about future tech trades and some
issues with our wonderful friends GWT
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[19:20:11] MasterZen- as fer trade, well, after invention we were thinking of
doing theo and wondered if you guys would do gunpowder
[19:20:21] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- hmm
[19:20:33] MasterZen- we'd do edu too
[19:20:54] croxis- i'm sure that is possible
[19:20:59] MasterZen- and it looks like we're getting chiv from GWT but there a
tiny detail first
[19:21:52] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- k
[19:22:05] MasterZen- well you should know that GCA and GWT got contact
[19:22:20] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Uh oh
[19:22:37] MasterZen- and "someone" gave them Lit, you can imagine who
[19:23:47] MasterZen- Lit + Leader = Great Library
[19:24:01] croxis- i know
[19:24:06] croxis- bloody hell
[19:24:10] MasterZen- Great Library = Feudalism
[19:24:15] MasterZen- among others
[19:24:29] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Grr
[19:24:46] MasterZen- so, they're still going down, it's just going to be a bit
tougher, however we have destroyed a significant piece of their army
[19:25:07] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- hehe
[19:25:12] croxis- thats good news
[19:25:30] croxis- do you have any idea how long it will take them to get great
library built?
[19:25:37] MasterZen- they built it already
[19:25:41] MasterZen- with a leader
[19:25:52] croxis- jesus
[19:25:56] croxis- buddy
[19:25:56] MasterZen- they HAVE feud now, it's only a matter of time till we see
pikes
[19:25:58] croxis- christ
[19:26:11] MasterZen- but still, it's too little too late, although it will make
the going rougher
[19:26:35] croxis- where is my icbm when i need it
[19:26:37] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- True
[19:26:39] MasterZen- hehe
[19:26:43] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Unless there is something to break the,
[19:26:50] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- *Them
[19:26:57] nye- we have already seen pikes
[19:27:14] MWIA- Well, one anyway
[19:27:23] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Yikes
[19:28:10] MasterZen- which brings me to the GWT issue
[19:28:31] MasterZen- GWT has been, how shall we say it, a bit difficult to deal
with as of late
[19:28:38] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- How so?
[19:28:54] MasterZen- it seems GCA has been feeding them crap about how we broke
a NAP to attack them
[19:29:08] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Tipical GCers
[19:29:32] croxis- do we have contact witht he other civ yet?
[19:30:01] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- That would be Zarn's Department
[19:30:45] MasterZen- honestly GWT is acting rather foolish, after GCA is gone
it's just us here, no need to piss of one
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[19:30:59] croxis- i know
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[19:31:12] croxis- but it may have reprocussions down the road
[19:31:13] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Hola Hygro
[19:31:16] Hygro- hello
[19:31:17] MasterZen- yep
[19:31:18] MasterZen- hello!
[19:31:27] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Long time no see huh Hygro
[19:31:45] Hygro- If you say so
[19:31:56] MasterZen- what we told GWT as an excuse for the was was the truth:
that we attacked because GCA was getting too powerful
[19:32:21] * croxis nods
[19:32:31] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- So they [GCA] Decided to make lies?
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[19:33:03] MasterZen- I don't know if they are lies, but they definitely *****ed
about how we broke a treaty
[19:33:08] MWIA- ANd we had a pact with you and CDG, plus you guys were asking
for help too
[19:33:31] * CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF] looks at Zarn
[19:33:41] CivGeneral[TEH_DMofF]- Oh dont tell me his Modem is messed up
:crazyeye:
[19:33:44] croxis- zarn pinged out
[19:33:51] Hygro- quite aw while ago
[19:34:06] croxis- sheesh cg
[19:35:05] MasterZen- anyway, if GWT comes to you guys to ask about what we did,
just tell them the truth. It's not like those guys didn't victimize Firaxis...
[19:35:24] Hygro- yeah I wanted diplomacy with Firaxis! Bums
[19:35:28] croxis- what did happen with firaxis?
[19:35:36] MasterZen- GWT killed them off
[19:35:40] croxis- well I knwo that
[19:36:07] MasterZen- so honestly them coming to give us a lecture of us being
aggressions sounds like the pot calling the kettle black
[19:36:08] E_T- Firaxis had Iron, GWT didn't
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[19:36:28] CivGeneral- God Dang Modem
[19:36:33] MWIA- Lara Croft?
[19:36:39] * MWIA looks funny at CG
[19:36:48] Hygro- lol
[19:36:54] Hygro- Lara Croft... Mara Jade
[19:36:56] E_T- the thing was, Firaxis seems to have played more like the AI than
anything else
[19:36:57] CivGeneral- MWIA - ITs one of thoes alternate Nicks that DSP2 has when
a nick is already in use
[19:37:04] Hygro- sure
[19:37:06] MWIA- AH, I see.
[19:38:19] MasterZen- so, let's see what happens with GWT. Hopefully they're just
having a bad hair day
[19:38:30] Hygro- wait how mad were they?
[19:38:56] MasterZen- if they still pulling the "we're a peaceful civ" BS then
honestly I don't give a damn :P
[19:39:07] MasterZen- not mad, just "reserved"
[19:39:09] croxis- of cource they played like the ai, the ai is modeled after
them after all
[19:39:14] Hygro- I see
[19:39:16] CivGeneral- lol
[19:39:19] MasterZen- lol!
[19:39:44] MasterZen- someone should have reminded Soren that in MP the human
players don't start with extra units and productive power
[19:39:49] croxis- lol
[19:40:01] CivGeneral- So True
[19:40:31] MasterZen- anyway, because of this we want to consolidate more techs
with you guys, which is why I brought up the gunpowder/theo stuff
[19:40:46] croxis- we will pass it on tothe higher powers
[19:40:46] MasterZen- it's just an idea, nothing definite on our part yet but
we're working something along those lines
[19:41:44] Hygro- Oh now I get the joke croxis... I thought you were refering to
GWT not Firaxis
[19:41:48] Hygro- lol
[19:41:53] croxis- Laughing My Butt Off
[19:41:59] croxis- dumb butt
[19:42:26] MasterZen- well, once we do more discussing on this we'll send you
guys a more formal tech proposal, sound ok?
[19:42:32] CivGeneral- k
[19:42:38] MasterZen- great
[19:42:42] Hygro- whoopay!
[19:43:02] MasterZen- ok, one issue done, two to go
[19:43:03] croxis- sounds ducky
[19:43:22] MasterZen- next up, OctX and I had discussed over a month ago about
having a more formal alliance
[19:43:35] Hygro- yay! we love formality!
[19:43:37] croxis- i rememebr that
[19:43:44] MasterZen- like having a naval RoP, coordinating our diplomacy better,
stuff like that
[19:43:44] Hygro- yeah he talked about that
[19:43:56] Hygro- I am for that idea
[19:44:04] CivGeneral- Same
[19:44:12] Hygro- Shared naval space is a good idea
[19:44:21] MasterZen- cool
[19:44:27] Hygro- considering the mammoths on the other continent we'll need all
the cooperation we can get
[19:44:31] MasterZen- exactly
[19:44:44] croxis- is the sea between us landlocked or is it possible to get a
naval unit though?
[19:44:56] Hygro- I mean, compared to us you're pretty big... and you're lands
compared to them isnt exactly euqal...
[19:44:58] E_T- it's landlocked
[19:45:09] croxis- ok
[19:45:24] croxis- bah, does someoen have a pic of the whole thing?
[19:45:26] MasterZen- who knows, GWT and CGN might kiss and make up and start
scheming against us once we kill off GCA
[19:45:32] * CivGeneral curses at his goast that is still here
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[19:45:36] Hygro- you could place city canals on them like th BoP
[19:45:52] croxis- thast what I was thinking
[19:45:52] Hygro- CGN and GWT are at war?
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[19:46:06] E_T- Still
[19:46:07] Hygro- yay
[19:46:11] Hygro- Hail Octavian!
[19:46:13] croxis- like we could have bop and you guys have one in the north (if
thats possible)
[19:46:20] E_T- GWT is doing an Iron Gambit
[19:46:21] MasterZen- welcome Oct!!
[19:46:32] Hygro- like lots of warriors and upgrading?
[19:46:40] Octavian_X- Hello all.
[19:46:41] MasterZen- yeah they began a war on the same turn we went to war with
GCA. Oh the irony
[19:47:09] Hygro- thats the best news i've heard in a while
[19:47:11] CivGeneral- Oh there you are Oct
[19:47:11] MasterZen- and guess who attacked who? Hint: starts with a G ends with
a WT
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[19:47:26] MWIA- Hi Octy
[19:47:28] MasterZen- I could have sworn you guys already knew
[19:47:31] CivGeneral- Finaly the Goast Pinged out
[19:47:44] Hygro- coast? you mean Ghost?
[19:47:49] CivGeneral- yes
[19:47:51] Hygro- right
[19:48:03] croxis- left
[19:48:13] Hygro- how many tiles are there between CGN and GWT?
[19:48:15] Hygro- unclaimed
[19:48:22] Hygro- approximately
[19:48:42] E_T- a few
[19:48:44] MasterZen- I dunno, their lands are real wierd
[19:48:55] E_T- old Grenoli lands
[19:49:02] Hygro- and GWT uses Horsemen?
[19:49:13] MasterZen- probably looking for an Ansar upgrade
[19:49:22] Hygro- ah i see. Arabia
[19:49:25] E_T- and will have Ansars when they get Chiv
[19:49:35] MasterZen- and then the **** will start to fly
[19:49:37] Hygro- are they in the middle ages as well?/
[19:49:46] MasterZen- yeah
[19:49:54] Hygro- what civ is CGN again? It never seemed to matter to me before
[19:50:08] MasterZen- look at the bright side, the more time they duke it out,
the more time both of us can happily build (after GCA is gone of course)
[19:50:21] Hygro- thats the only side about their war!
[19:50:30] MasterZen- CGN = ottomans
[19:50:40] MasterZen- obviously GWT will try and take them out before Sipahi
[19:50:42] Hygro- uhh... in a game where the wars end early
[19:50:50] Hygro- yeah although it would be nice if they didnt
[19:51:11] croxis- if its possibel we shoudl also try and get a ring os navel
units to spot them attempting to invade, but that may be hard, and expencive
[19:52:01] MasterZen- we have time
[19:52:11] croxis- i know
[19:52:14] MasterZen- no way to attack us any time soon
[19:52:22] croxis- i doubt they will got o war with us this soon anyways
[19:52:27] croxis- whats the point?
[19:52:36] MasterZen- exactly
[19:52:43] MasterZen- they have each other to kill first
[19:53:19] croxis- ok as for boarders will ther eb a buffer zone, or will we be
right next to eachother?
[19:53:25] MasterZen- ok, borders
[19:53:36] Octavian_X- Yes, borders...
[19:53:43] CivGeneral- Good olde Borders
[19:53:43] Hygro- i'd rather not focus on giant navies
[19:53:45] MasterZen- OctX, do you have an official proposal on CFC's part?
[19:53:45] Hygro- ah borders
[19:53:51] E_T- not until Nav can they possibly invade
[19:53:51] MasterZen- regarding borders
[19:54:07] Octavian_X- hmm...
[19:54:31] Hygro- well my oppinion is unfeasible, which is that we get everything
west of the lake
[19:54:36] Hygro- take it from here Octavian!
[19:54:46] croxis- lol, why is it not feasable?
[19:54:49] Octavian_X- hehe
[19:54:56] MasterZen- west of the lake... why not
[19:55:01] Octavian_X- Ideally, we'd like to see an equal division of the
continent.
[19:55:40] MasterZen- this is what croxis mentioned before you got in:
[19:55:45] Octavian_X- However, considering the considerable amount of effort
Apolyton put into destorying GCA, we are willing to allow concessions to
Apolyton for more land area.
[19:55:51] MasterZen- MasterZen- croxis- ok as for terratory, my though (not
endorced in any way by the offical government), is for us to have all of our
landmass, and some of the southern part of the landmass you are on
[19:56:16] Hygro- that would be quite the 50-50 wouldnt it
[19:56:28] MasterZen- problem is that most of our guys would not really agree to
that
[19:56:34] croxis- i couldn't see well when I looke dta the mini map
[19:56:47] Octavian_X- What is the Apolytonian position?
[19:56:59] MasterZen- the thing is like OctX said, well, we feel we've kind of
done the bulk of killing of GCA
[19:57:25] MasterZen- we would off the top agree to everything west of BoP to go
to CFC
[19:57:54] CivGeneral- k
[19:57:59] Octavian_X- BoP to Equilribium?
[19:58:07] Hygro- it would be nice if we had the BOP just so our eastern lake
cities could move ships into the ocean
[19:58:07] CivGeneral- Heh, so looks like the GCAers are crumbling
[19:58:36] MasterZen- as it stands considering the city razing, it looks like 4
cities apiece
[19:58:39] Hygro- thus we could help protect our mutual continent better
[19:58:40] Octavian_X- 1 landbridge city a civ was assumed, I think.
[19:59:12] MasterZen- BoP is the touchy part, I think you'll agree with me
[19:59:33] Hygro- but you understand how my logic benifits your empire, no?
[20:00:33] croxis- ok kids i'm off to watch american dreams with my family, and
make milkshakes
[20:00:38] CivGeneral- k
[20:00:40] Hygro- sounds good
[20:00:40] Hygro- later
[20:00:43] MasterZen- ok, cya around!
[20:00:46] MasterZen- thanks for coming
[20:00:48] CivGeneral- Save me some
[20:00:53] croxis- no, thank you
[20:01:05] croxis- I make killer pumpkin milkshakes
[20:01:51] Hygro- MasterZen, you understand my logic for how it benifits you that
we get the Balance of Power?
[20:02:31] * croxis (~croxis@host-253-134.ras.pdx.edu) Quit (Quit: )
[20:02:33] MasterZen- yes of course, we understand it would help you guys get
ships out
[20:04:02] Hygro- =)
[20:04:13] CivGeneral-
[20:04:25] CivGeneral- And Hygro can have his Robotic Japanese Trucks
[20:04:29] Hygro- lemme take a look at our maps
[20:04:30] Hygro- YEAH
[20:04:34] MasterZen- haha
[20:04:38] Hygro- ironicly im listening to some JPOPP
[20:04:44] Hygro- JPOP*
[20:04:55] MasterZen- ok, before going into details about BoP how about this:
[20:05:07] Hygro- yah?
[20:05:24] MasterZen- we agree right now that all cities east of BoP will be
ours, and all cities west of BoP will be yours, regardless of who captures them.
Is this premise ok? that way all we have to do is solve the BoP issue
[20:05:57] Hygro- I personally love the sound of this
[20:06:02] Octavian_X- That is agreeable for the most part, though admittedly we
would like to see more land than that.
[20:07:00] MasterZen- that will be hard for our guys to agree to, ultimately
those decisions don't belong to me 
[20:07:01] Hygro- yeah our eastern lake cities could be hardcore ship producers.
Good combo of plains, glasslands and mountinas
[20:07:44] Octavian_X- I think somewhere, we can probably rebuild BoP into two
canal cities...
[20:08:28] Hygro- nope
[20:08:34] Hygro- im looking at the map
[20:08:58] MasterZen- not possible?
[20:09:09] Hygro- there are two adjacent canal cities =(
[20:09:16] Hygro- the rest is took thick landwise
[20:09:31] Hygro- city locations*
[20:09:50] E_T- can't have 1 tile spacing
[20:10:05] E_T- If you could, then it would be possible
[20:10:23] Hygro- exactly
[20:10:36] MasterZen- let me look at the map...
[20:10:37] Hygro- man that would be wicked ICS
[20:10:42] Hygro- ok I give you permission
[20:13:23] MasterZen- ok, yeah impossible to build 2 cities
[20:13:50] Octavian_X- Then, rebuild Equilribium?
[20:14:00] Octavian_X- If I could spell it...
[20:14:10] Octavian_X- It would make a bit more sense, being closer to GWT
[20:14:16] * BigFree|Away is now known as BigFree
[20:14:25] Hygro- nope
[20:14:38] Hygro- only one canal north and south
[20:15:00] Hygro- which, to signify our alliance, should be renamed to Northern
Handshake and Southern Handshake
[20:15:07] CivGeneral- hehe
[20:15:21] MasterZen- well, equilibrium and balance have a ring to them too
[20:15:32] Hygro- thats true
[20:15:42] Hygro- all though balance of power sounds too competitive
[20:15:59] MasterZen- we can just leave it at Balance then
[20:16:02] MasterZen- equilibrium/balance
[20:16:15] Hygro- we'll probably find some Chinese name for it
[20:16:33] E_T- Rename BoP to someting more enlightened
[20:16:34] Octavian_X- hehe
[20:16:48] CivGeneral- hehe
[20:17:07] Octavian_X- Something cheesy... Bridge of Friendship? 
[20:17:19] CivGeneral- lol
[20:17:23] Octavian_X- thinking of names, should we discuss naming our continent?
[20:17:31] MasterZen- hmm... good idea
[20:17:38] MasterZen- "Apolykou"
[20:17:53] CivGeneral-
[20:18:18] Hygro- wait.... IDEA! We should have a 1 continued Palindrome!
[20:18:25] Octavian_X- Fanyton?
[20:18:26] Hygro- for the BoP and Equalismdfd
[20:18:28] MasterZen- Palindrome? what the hell is that?
[20:18:42] Hygro- Something that is the same forward and backward
[20:18:48] Hygro- spaces and punctuation ignored
[20:18:49] Octavian_X- racecar - same backwards and forwards
[20:18:51] E_T- same spelled forward as backwards
[20:18:51] MWIA- MZ - the message finished right before you left
[20:19:21] Hygro- "rise to vote sir"
[20:19:40] MasterZen- ah cool
[20:20:07] Hygro- so equilibriam has the first half, since we are further south,
we get the second half
[20:20:12] MasterZen- in our PTW demo game in poly we gave our big continent a
really stupid name. "Bob"
[20:20:15] Hygro- it would be a true message to the world
[20:20:20] Hygro- awsome
[20:20:44] Octavian_X- oh god, not Bob again...
[20:20:50] MasterZen- well, we also can't portray to the world how good friends
we are... if GWT and CGN see that we are so close they might start to ally
themselves
[20:21:24] Octavian_X- I wouldn't call naming a continent a sign a friendship,
but I do agree any alliances we form need to kept secret.
[20:22:09] Hygro- oh yes?
[20:22:17] CivGeneral- qI agree with OCt
[20:22:49] Hygro- it makes sens. You are right
[20:23:12] MasterZen- as far as the others are concerned, all we are is tech
partners, that's it
[20:23:37] Hygro- thats a pretty comfy alliance
[20:23:48] Octavian_X- I think I can speak for the rest of Fanatikou when I say
that we want to see a stronger alliance than that.
[20:23:58] Hygro- i think the best message to put forth is that we have a MA vs
GCA
[20:24:32] * CivGeneral yawns
[20:24:38] Octavian_X- If we are to confine ourselves to that smaller strip of
land betwseen Equilibrium and BoP, than we at the very least want some solid
guarentees that we won't be harmed by what will obviously be a stonger Apolyton.
[20:24:38] CivGeneral- Sorry
[20:24:39] MWIA- Adios friends and allies - gotta get into the sun before it gets
dark!
[20:24:40] MasterZen- oh we are stronger we just don't want the others to know
[20:24:55] MasterZen- *stronger friendship
[20:24:56] * MWIA (~mrwhereit@203-79-69-167.apx0.paradise.net.nz) Quit (Read
error: Connection reset by peer)
[20:25:04] E_T- MasterZen- in our PTW demo game in poly we gave our big
continent a really stupid name. "Bob"
[20:25:09] * BigFree is now known as BigFree|Away
[20:25:14] E_T- That was GF's fault
[20:25:19] MasterZen- OctX you will get all the assurances you want, that is why
I mentioned the formal Alliance thing
[20:25:22] WhiteBandit- * CivGeneral yawns
[20:25:25] WhiteBandit- that was MZ's fault
[20:25:40] MasterZen- most of our guys are very much in favor of an alliance
[20:25:48] Hygro- great!
[20:25:57] Hygro- so how many topics left to work out?
[20:26:06] Octavian_X- Not only do we want protection from Apolytonian forces, we
are looking for protection against CGN and GWT.
[20:26:35] MasterZen- I don't think it's in either of our interests to allow the
other continent to have a foothold here
[20:26:48] Hygro- quite true
[20:26:57] Octavian_X- true, true.
[20:27:09] Octavian_X- It's why I'm looking for something like a combo NAP/MPP
[20:27:23] MasterZen- agreed, I think that's what the alliance is all about
[20:27:28] Hygro- but we dont have Nationalism!
[20:27:39] Octavian_X- We wouldn't actually sign an MPP in game.
[20:27:54] MasterZen- obviously, it's visible to all
[20:28:06] Hygro- but what if you want to deter war?
[20:28:14] Hygro- like before ww1... wait that didnt work
[20:28:16] Octavian_X- It would be a defensive alliance, only activated by
unprovoked agreesion by GWT and CGN
[20:28:29] MasterZen- hahaha
[20:28:52] E_T- an alliance against outside invaders (i.e. settlers) to our
contentent
[20:28:52] Hygro- unprovoked? why not provoked? Hell we shouldn't not be in the
same wars together unless its crucial to stay out of it
[20:29:16] Octavian_X- I mean, to prevent one team from dragging the other into
war unwillingly.
[20:29:20] Hygro- anyway, am I correct in assuming we've covered all topics for
tonight?
[20:29:36] Hygro- like, not all details but all topics
[20:29:50] E_T- The "Wal-mart" alliance.... , No Illegal aliens....
[20:30:03] MasterZen- all topics yes
[20:30:24] MasterZen- we still need to straighten out the BoP thing, I think we
should allow say a wekk for discussion among our respective teams
[20:30:29] Octavian_X- We'll see fi our team can come to more on a concensus on
the border issue.
[20:31:03] MasterZen- I am sure we can work something out, there's always a
middle ground
[20:31:26] E_T- Grown,,,,,
[20:31:28] Octavian_X- Of course. We can find something agreeable.
[20:31:37] Hygro- ok thank you for this valuable talk. Goodnight!
[20:32:10] * Hygro (~Java_user@adsl-64-161-200-19.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) Quit
(Quit: Leaving)
[20:32:12] MasterZen- cyta
[20:35:26] Octavian_X- So... why haven't I recieved my shipment of tacos yet?
[20:35:34] MasterZen- and my doughnuts?
[20:35:54] E_T- I'm waiting for MZ to deliver mine personally
[20:36:07] MasterZen- ain't gonna happen
[20:36:21] Octavian_X- That sword near equilibrum was SUPPOWSED to have them.
[20:39:56] MasterZen- I'm going to post the log of the chat now, is there
anything else left to discuss?
[20:40:14] Octavian_X- not as far as I know...
[20:40:21] Octavian_X- Care to send my a log?
[20:40:24] MasterZen- sure
[20:40:29] MasterZen- e-mail/
[20:40:45] Octavian_X- msdg@civfanatics.net works
[20:44:20] MasterZen- doh, I forgot to log, time to copy/paste
[20:45:10] Octavian_X- heh
[20:45:28] MasterZen- hey WB, have you logged this?
[20:45:43] WhiteBandit- i have
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Logged chat in CGN's embassy channel. Not sure why mongoose and miccofl choose to communicate there exactly. They should have used a private channel. Just sort of strange IMO.
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Session Start: Sun Oct 26 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #isdg-Embassy1
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[17:21] miccofl} Anybody home?
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[17:39] mongoose201} you here micco?
[17:39] miccofl} yes
[17:39] mongoose201} should we talk here or somewhere else?
[17:40] miccofl} I take it you have seen my last post?
[17:40] mongoose201} yes
[17:40] miccofl} I emailed it too
[17:40] mongoose201} got it
[17:40] miccofl} our protest is official
[17:40] mongoose201} I understand
[17:40] miccofl} sorry, I don't envy you
[17:41] mongoose201} this is going to be interesting....
[17:41] miccofl} quite
[17:41] mongoose201} I have the turn open now'
[17:42] miccofl} ours?
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[17:43] mongoose201} no, theirs
[17:43] miccofl} ok, just curious
[17:43] mongoose201} I'm trying to find any possible eventuality in which this could happen
[17:44] miccofl} yeah, we couldn't see it either
[17:45] mongoose201} in the screenshot that sl3 posted, the archer is obviously fortified
[17:45] miccofl} it is in our save as well
[17:46] miccofl} especially after moving the pike to reveal the other 3 archers
[17:47] mongoose201} just to be sure...the previous turn was 10bc?
[17:47] miccofl} correct
[17:47] miccofl} we are playing 10 AD
[17:47] * Furloaf is now known as Fuloaf|Away
[17:47] mongoose201} that's what I thought...just want to rule out as much as possible
[17:47] miccofl} understood
[17:50] mongoose201} to your knowledge, their is no "go to and fortify" shortcut? *grasping at straws here* At the end of the turn, when it changes years, the automated "go to" commands are executed for all teams at the same time.... when the last team in the turn order clicks "save and exit" all "go to" and automatic moves for the next turn are done
[17:51] mongoose201} this is also the time that any barbs move/attack/whatever
[17:52] miccofl} no go and fortify shortcut, it would have to be a deliberate act
[17:53] mongoose201} *one more far-fetched pipedream marked off*
[17:53] miccofl} if two units occupy a space, a right click will give the option to fortify all; if one unit occupies a space the option is not available - it is an exploit if used in this manner as it effectively gives a unit 2 moves
[17:55] mongoose201} that's exactly what they did...I just tried that as you were typing....at the end of the turn after I click save and exit, The units fortified
[17:56] miccofl} that ain't kosher
[17:56] mongoose201} no, it's not
[17:56] mongoose201} have you ever noticed this before?
[17:57] miccofl} never before we investigated it
[17:57] mongoose201} they could have done it before without your notice, they could have moved units the max distance on a road and did the same thing
[17:57] miccofl} although back when the ability to save in turn and reload exploit was available it was possible that way as well
[17:58] miccofl} we really have not had enough combat to tell - I know Grenouille never used it against us
[17:59] miccofl} but yes, they could have done it before and we never noticed
[18:00] miccofl} we were negotiating peace, or so we thought - and then they moved those two into a place that just made us wonder WTF? and we just looked, and stared, and looked - and then noticed
[18:00] mongoose201} I don't know that I can do much other than email them and tell them not to do it again.... unless you know of something else
[18:01] mongoose201} and emailing them has proved, to put it lightly, ineffectual
[18:02] miccofl} we feel they should replay the turn with out using the exploit
[18:02] mongoose201} that's what I was afraid of...hehe
[18:02] miccofl} at least that was the general consensus in the chat
[18:03] mongoose201} I understand completely, this puts you at unfair disadvantage
[18:05] mongoose201} I will take care of it tonight...I'll post something in the UN and email GWT
[18:05] miccofl} We thank you
[18:05] mongoose201} ok...if you want, post this chat in the ISDG admin thread
[18:05] mongoose201} or wherever
[18:06] mongoose201} I have to go right now...see ya...and here's to hoping for a quick response
[18:06] miccofl} admin thread is probably the best place
[18:06] miccofl} later, thanks again
[18:06] mongoose201} no problem
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[18:09] miccofl} Well BigFree, you can safely assume you won't be getting the turn tonight, or maybe tomorrow night, or...
[18:09] miccofl} Sorry, we gotta do what we gotta do.
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[18:24] miccofl} You missed all the fun
[18:25] Trip} ?
[18:25] miccofl} You will not be getting the turn tonight
[18:26] miccofl} you may not get it tomorrow night
[18:26] Trip} fun :P
[18:26] Trip} sorry I missed it
[18:27] miccofl} we documented use of an exploit
[18:28] miccofl} GWT moved two units from jungle to hill (no road) and fortified before our turn
[18:29] miccofl} BigFree logged the chat between mongoose and myself
[18:29] Trip} I see
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[20:01] Trip} what is the status of the war?
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[23:11] BigFree} Sorry miccofl, I've been away for quite a bit
[23:12] BigFree} But, i let my team know what is going on
[23:12] BigFree} It is extremely unfair for GWT to us that exploit
[23:13] BigFree} I'm hoping it was accedental, but I fear they knew what would happen. This exploit has been documeted and commented on by a lot of people.
[23:13] BigFree} Lets hope for the best though
[05:56] miccofl} We should have looked around further last night but were so shocked by the use we discovered we did not look for any more. Upon further review it seems that every unit that we could see a movement made was fortified in this manner. At this point we can rule out accidental, but we can still hope for ignorance.
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[16:05] [Octavian_X] ooh, some good news for once...
[16:06] [MasterZen] say say say
[16:07] [Octavian_X] Based on the information from the investigations, I believe GCA has only 4 combat units west of Balance of Power. Most of them are located west of Sodapopolis, consisting of 1 Elite Spearman, 1 Veteran Spearman and 1 Swordsman. They are accompanied by a Worker. The last unit is an Elite Spearman defending Santopia.
[16:07] [Octavian_X] A quote from our temporary DP, cheetah.
[16:08] [MasterZen] hmm... interesting
[16:08] [Octavian_X] As you will see from the screenshots, there are NO units in Sodapopolis, NO units in Lucky Harbor and only ONE Pikeman in Balance of Power.
[16:08] [Octavian_X] This will certainly speed up our attack.
[16:08] [MasterZen] that is good news
[16:09] [Octavian_X] Just thought you'd like to know (I didn't feel like dealing with a forgetful Trip).
[16:09] [MasterZen] lol.. don't worry I'll post this right away
[16:10] [MasterZen] btw, a question, how is your relationship with GWT?
[16:10] [MasterZen] do they reply quickly to your PMs or mails?
[16:12] [Octavian_X] honestly, I've not heard from them at all over at least the last month.
[16:12] [MasterZen] hehe
[16:12] [Octavian_X] Isn't Darekill on their team? I might go straight to him rather than dealing with their ambassador...
[16:12] [MasterZen] who is their ambassador to you?
[16:13] [MasterZen] I dunno if Darekill is very active with GWT
[16:13] [Octavian_X] Someone by the name of Feanor.
[16:13] [MasterZen] ah, same with us :P
[16:13] [Octavian_X] Thinking of ambassadors, I've not even heard from our ambassador to them...
[16:13] [Octavian_X] lol
[16:13] [MasterZen] feanor0815
[16:17] [Octavian_X] and, what's the good word on engineering?
[16:18] [MasterZen] engineering? don't you mean invention?
[16:18] [Octavian_X] I thought we were supposed to be getting engineering from you guys...
[16:20] [MasterZen] you don't have it?
[16:20] [MasterZen] hmm... good thing you brought it up
[16:20] [Octavian_X] At least I don't think we have it...
[16:21] [MasterZen] i gotta go eat, I'll be back at night, check to see if you have it ok?
[16:21] [Octavian_X] I've not actually seen the save for too long, and I wouldn't be suprised it one of our DPs forgot to mention in.
[16:21] [Octavian_X] thanks.
[16:23] [MasterZen] I haven't seen the save either, us diplomats have more fun in the chat room than actually playing the game
[16:23] [Octavian_X] hehe
[16:23] [Octavian_X] Well, my lackies inform me that we don't have engineering yet.
[16:24] [MasterZen] ok, then I'll see what's up with that
[16:24] [Octavian_X] I remember we were asked to wait in order for Apolyton to respect an NDA with GWT over the tech.
[16:24] [Octavian_X] I'm under the assumtption that's expired by now.
[16:24] [MasterZen] that's what we should check
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Oct 1999
time: 21:34
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Complete chat with CGN. They now know we have no deal with them regarding Monothesism and Invention. We still need to tell them about the broken NAP with GCA before GCA does.
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Session Start: Thu Nov 06 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #isdg-Embassy1
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[09:53] miccofl> I see no new piles of rubble on your side of the world
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[10:23] miccofl> FYI: We have set 8:00 PM EST as our start time, it seems that while I was on vacation everyone elses workload doubled.
[10:27] Trip> woops
[10:27] miccofl> odd thing is, none of us work at the same place
[10:28] miccofl> chaos theory?
[10:30] Trip> hehe
[10:30] Trip> seems like it
[10:32] miccofl> We shoulod finish monotheism in about 4 turns unless the tactical situation degrades considerably
[10:34] miccofl> we should set a time to discuss our future plans for technological cooperation
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[11:42] BigFree> agreed
[11:43] BigFree> I will have our FAM contact your Ambassador
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[14:34] miccofl> Our Ambassador and our Minister of State are MIA (one got promoted at work and the other is arguing with his phone co./ISP so it would be best to direct the correspondance here.
[14:36] Trip> well, that's fun
[14:36] Trip> I think BF is gone right now
[14:38] miccofl> I have been reading the final chapter of the Euclidian history
[14:39] Trip> anything particularly interesting?
[14:40] miccofl> only if one picks nits
[14:41] Trip> meaning?
[14:42] miccofl> Since we had known CFC, there was talk of problems with GCA. They didn't ask for our help at first, but it was clear they wouldn't say no to some Immortals helping them out. Things did not get better. They had no iron, but a source was nearby (fortified on top was a GCA Warrior). They built the city nearby and told GCA to leave their territory. GCA refused, saying that they were there first. Pretty soon afterwards, the war that was
[14:42] miccofl> Apolyton thought of it as a diplomatic tool, while CDG (and probably CFC) thought of it as a way to stop GCA. Since Poly was thinking differently, they told GCA what was going on. Now we have a possible GCA angry at us from the south, and the ever dangerous Poly in the north.
[14:43] miccofl> curious as to the details of that arrangement
[14:43] Trip> CFC and CDG came whining to us and wanted us to go to war against GCA then also
[14:43] Trip> however, as you can see from the map that's not entirely plausible...
[14:44] Trip> they were scared of a backstab and just wanted to keep us busy
[14:44] miccofl> so what was actually agreed to?
[14:45] Trip> not sure what they mean by how we "told GCA what was going on" though
[14:45] Trip> Apolyton had no agreements with either CFC or CDG regarding GCA at that time
[14:45] Trip> (from what I know)
[14:45] miccofl> perhaps that was the impression given by circumstance, or GCA bluffed them
[14:46] Trip> what actually were they referring to though?
[14:46] Trip> I'm not sure what they implied we "told" them
[14:46] Trip> we tried to negotiate peace between CFC and GCA when the war first started
[14:47] Trip> not sure if that's what they mean or what
[14:47] Trip> CDG was never very... rational... though
[14:47] miccofl> ...sort of MPP was arranged, although it didn't require open war....
[14:47] Trip> they threatened us with war for passing through neutral territory...
[14:48] miccofl> like GWT did with us
[14:48] Trip> when CDG was about to go extinct we made an agreement with them
[14:48] Trip> they gave us a couple cities and we promised to attack GCA
[14:48] Trip> however, nothing was agreed to prior to that
[14:49] miccofl> This is funny: GCA threatened to complain to the UN about our cruelty (they tried to get us to fight against units and leave the cities alone, but we took the unmanned cities anyway).
[14:51] miccofl> That's like saying "Don't take my city until I get some units in it for you to die fighting."
[14:52] Trip> hehe
[14:52] Trip> that was pretty funny
[14:52] Trip> they called it a "civilian center" and how it shouldn't be involved :P
[14:52] miccofl> LOL
[14:52] Trip> when CFC complained about the same thing with their city by the iron GCA turned the other cheek
[14:53] miccofl> CDG was definately twisted: The government puts out this desperate call to all its loyal citizens... SACRIFICE TO THE BADGER!! Chickens, possums, geese whatever you can find! We must please the Badger and hope that in his mercy he grants us iron!! Even human sacrifice is not totally out the question although I draw the line at cabinet members, they are a bugger to replace!
[14:53] Trip> haha
[14:53] miccofl> ...must have been smoking the good stuff
[14:53] Trip> yeah, and they ended up with iron right next to their capital
[14:53] Trip> they were definitely smoking something
[14:54] miccofl> it's nice having iron at your capitol
[14:54] Trip> I'm sure it is
[14:54] Trip> it's nice having flat land at your capital too :P
[14:56] miccofl> They named a city OurGoatsAreTrainedToKill ??!!
[14:56] Trip> yep :P
[14:56] Trip> and when GCA captured it they renamed it "AllYourGoatsRBelongToUs"
[14:57] miccofl> now that's funny
[14:58] Trip> CDG collapsed faster than a deck of cards
[14:58] Trip> it was weird
[14:59] miccofl> they were undermanned when they started their war, not a wise thing to be
[15:00] Trip> their whole army just vaporized
[15:00] miccofl> What army?
[15:00] miccofl> I am sorry to report that during the last save I played, I found out that GCA had infact attacked our army, and that the RNG was in their favor. They killed off 3 immortals and 1 spearman, leaving us with only 1 immortal left, with 1 hitpoint no less. Meeting up with our other two immortals, we now have three immortals and a warrior around their city. I can't imagine GCA having many more units, so I think we can proceed with the at
[15:00] miccofl> you don't lay siege to a capitol with 5 units
[15:00] Trip> I thought they were outside Algalord?
[15:01] Trip> I was surprised they attacked Tenita at all... it was out of the way
[15:01] Trip> they should have gone for Algalord from the get-go
[15:01] Trip> they could have attacked it in the 2nd turn of the war
[15:01] miccofl> you are right, they were
[15:02] miccofl> on the turns we took the Grenouille cities we had no less than 10 units at the front
[15:02] Trip> that land's been crossed by different armies 3 times now
[15:03] Trip> they should have waited for reinforcements BEFORE moving adjacent to Algalord... not after
[15:03] Trip> :P
[15:03] miccofl> they were their own worst enemy
[15:04] Trip> we were perplexed with their tactics the entire game
[15:04] Trip> they built a total of... 1 Worker
[15:04] Trip> the entire game :P
[15:05] miccofl> yikes
[15:06] Trip> hehe
[15:06] Trip> if we ever attacked the winning name for their capital when we captured it was going to be "Industrious Is For Workers Not Immortals"
[15:10] Trip> is your team going to be able to play the turn tonight with all the MIAs?
[15:11] miccofl> yeah, we start in 1hr 50 min
[15:12] Trip> okay
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[18:00] Trip> I suppose it's safe to assume you're playing the turn now?
[18:00] miccofl> yes
[18:40] miccofl> http://www.miccofl.net/50ADDemoGame.zip
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[19:23] miccofl> long time no see
[19:23] Arnelos> yeah
[19:23] Arnelos> I've had connection problems recently
[19:23] Arnelos> how are things around here?
[19:23] miccofl> that sucks
[19:24] miccofl> well as I said to BigFree earlier we will be done with montheism in 4 turns, we need to discuss future tech cooperation
[19:24] Arnelos> I saw that in our FA thread when I was trying to catch up earlier
[19:24] miccofl> have you finished Invention yet?
[19:25] Arnelos> I honestly don't know
[19:25] Arnelos> I do'nt believe so, however
[19:26] miccofl> see if you can find out when if you would please
[19:26] Arnelos> sure
[19:36] Arnelos> miccofl, you still there?
[19:37] miccofl> yes
[19:37] Arnelos> what are you guys willing to pay for CFC contact again? (I've been asked to ask)
[19:37] miccofl> damned if I can finish the screenshots in an hour and a half
[19:38] miccofl> we never really discussed it, if this next galley sinks it may become a hot topic
[19:38] Arnelos> ah
[19:39] miccofl> what do you think it is worth? (so I have a starting point should it come to that)
[19:39] Arnelos> That's a hard thing to put an exact quantity on
[19:39] Arnelos> I'm being told 100 gold
[19:39] miccofl> it is at that
[19:39] miccofl> I will bring that up
[19:40] Arnelos> ok
[19:46] Arnelos> Togas is apparently the one who will let me know the specifics about Inventions and what he'd like in terms of deals. He's currently watching the Lakers game, so he's not responding to me
[19:46] Arnelos> I'll let you know what he says when I hear it
[19:47] miccofl> I was under the impression we were trading mono for invention...
[19:47] Arnelos> I've been out of touch, I honestly don't know
[19:47] Arnelos> when I asked, I was told to ask Togas
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[20:27] BigFree> Hey miccofl
[20:27] BigFree> some news for you
[20:27] BigFree> GWT has reconnected it's iron
[20:29] Trip> and their army is big
[20:29] BigFree> [19:47] miccofl> I was under the impression we were trading mono for invention...
[20:30] BigFree> could you send me a transcript of where we discussed this?
[20:30] BigFree> I remeber talking about a possible trade, but not more than that.
[20:40] miccofl> I'll have a look
[20:53] miccofl> I may have misunderstood, this is the passage I was thinking of:
[20:53] miccofl> [17:25] BigFree> Well, you know that there are only two research paths right now
[20:53] miccofl> [17:25] miccofl> right
[20:53] miccofl> [17:25] BigFree> Monothesim is a deal we already have wokred out
[20:53] miccofl> [17:26] miccofl> true
[20:54] miccofl> oh and GWT reconnected iron 2 turns ago
[21:01] BigFree> BigFree> Monothesim is a deal we(Apolyton) already have wokred out. (We worked it out with CFC a while back, I thought you were aware of our deal we had with CFC prior to even having contact with you.
[21:01] miccofl> nope
[21:01] miccofl> was not aware of that
[21:02] miccofl> so you already have it?
[21:02] BigFree> a little mis communication then
[21:02] BigFree> we dont have it yet, no
[21:02] BigFree> but CFC is close
[21:03] miccofl> well if you had the deal before we had contact they better be
[21:03] BigFree> LOL
[21:03] BigFree> well, they are a bit smaller than you due to GCA's invasion earlier
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[21:07] miccofl> We are going to have to communicate better on these tech trades if they are going to work for us all
[21:07] BigFree> agreed
[21:07] BigFree> I did not know it wasn't clear though, sorry about that if it was my fault.
[21:07] miccofl> what do you want for and what are you researching after invention?
[21:09] BigFree> not sure ATM
[21:09] BigFree> let me check the last discussion on it
[21:13] BigFree> according to discussions we are evnely split on both Theology and GunPowder
[21:13] BigFree> I need to restart those discussions and get a definate
[21:13] miccofl> and what would you want for invention?
[21:14] BigFree> I will let you know before you are done with Mono
[21:14] BigFree> Well, if we go for one, you should go for the other
[21:14] miccofl> try and give me a little more time than that if you would, we need to poll for our next tech as well
[21:14] BigFree> ok, will do
[21:15] miccofl> I need to go, my vacation is over - back to work tomorrow
[21:15] miccofl> today now
[21:15] miccofl> later
[21:18] BigFree> adios
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Mar 2001
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I chatted with OctX about Investigating Catchopolus, then I found out that GCA is going to declare on them.
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* E_T_spreadsheets slaps Octavian_X around a bit with a large trout
[E_T_spreadsheets> hey dude
* E_T_spreadsheets is now known as E_T
* Octavian_X throws a playstation at E_T
* E_T catches it and goes to plug it into his TV
[E_T> you know, you can start tossing games to go with it....
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[Octavian_X> hehe
[E_T> Oct, What's the timeline for you all actively moving forces against GCA?
[E_T> I don't know if you've told Trip, but if you have, he hasn't posted about it
[NuclearMaster> *slaps Trip
[Octavian_X> I believe we will be beginning an offensive on Sodapopolis this turn.
[Octavian_X> That is, we will begin to move troops into the area.
[Octavian_X> The city will be under attack in 4-5 turns.
[NuclearMaster> Will they consider it a decleration of war?
[E_T> we would like to get an Investigation of Catchopolus before it becomes too late
[E_T> NM, mostlikely
[Octavian_X> I'll put in a request to do so, though we will expect montary backup if we still are in peace.
[E_T> as it would be violating their NAP/ceisefire
[NuclearMaster> Oct how many troops are you attacking the city with?
[E_T> No Problem with that, as far as I know
[E_T> money that is
[Octavian_X> It should be enough to take the city.
[E_T> it will be a couple of turns too early, but you have to deal with the curcumstances
[NuclearMaster> Last time you checked they had very little units in the area, correct?
[Octavian_X> yes,
[Octavian_X> .
[E_T> they might be cycling Spears to BoP and upgrading, then replacing them with pikes
[NuclearMaster> They wont have much time though
[E_T> but then, the sooner that they have to stand, the better, because they will either have to hold them or abandon those cities
[NuclearMaster> Knowing GCA they might just abandon all cities west of BoP
[E_T> as long as they don't go and gift them to GWT
[NuclearMaster> GWT would be awfull stupid to accept. They would make two enemies and would lose their cities quickly.
[E_T> but we first have to wait for GWT to play the damn save
[E_T> GWT would take them just to futz us both up
[E_T> and the worst thing would be for GWT to gift GCA a couple of their cities, in exchange
[E_T> Anyways, about the Investigation, get with BF or Trip for more info
[Octavian_X> Sorry, too late for the investigation.
[Octavian_X> GCA called our bluff. It's war. Again./
[E_T> GCA has the save now??
[E_T> Good
[E_T> Are you talking with him, maybe you can say that your sending troops to help them out
[E_T> [soto voice]yeah, help them out with dying.....[/voice]
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:34
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another lovely afternoon with Goonie.
Btw, this chat is not really continuous, Goonie leaves, then comes back a few hours later, check out the timestamps to see. when Goonie returns it is part II.
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Session Start: Mon Nov 10 15:30:02 2003
Session Ident: #isdgfamtalks
[15:30] * Now talking in #isdgfamtalks
[15:30] * Topic is '4Greetings! 2 Please "1/notify (nick)"2 us when you enter this channel so that we know you are here. We will respond as soon as we can. Thanks. '
[15:30] * Set by BigFree on Sun Oct 12 00:42:39
[15:30] * ChanServ sets mode: +o MasterZen
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[15:52] [Goonie] hola
[15:52] [Bootstoots] hi Goonie
[15:53] [Goonie] I was wondering if we could have a little discussion
[15:54] [MasterZen] hello
[15:54] [Goonie] good to see you
[15:55] [MasterZen] likewise
[15:55] [Goonie] Can we talk in here?
[15:55] [MasterZen] sure
[15:55] [Goonie] is that alright with you
[15:55] [Goonie] ok good
[15:55] [Goonie] I want to start by going over some history
[15:56] [Goonie] lets start with the beginning of the long GCA conflict
[15:56] [Goonie] you with me?
[15:57] [MasterZen] yep I'm listening
[15:57] [Goonie] well as you are well aware, for many years, Fanatikou fought alone
[15:57] [Goonie] We were ok with that , because we understood your constraitns
[15:58] [Goonie] You needed to build up forces and that completely reasonable
[15:59] [Goonie] Then Elucidia joined the picture
[15:59] [Goonie] And ultimately paid the sacrifice
[16:00] [MasterZen] not so "immortal" is what I would say
[16:00] [Goonie] For many many years Fanatikou fought on until the glorious time when Apolyton was able to once again join in the fight against the dishourable Alliacne
[16:00] [Goonie] Well with your help, Gca will be gone
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[16:00] [Goonie] Agreed?
[16:01] [MasterZen] so far so good
[16:01] [Goonie] Well
[16:01] [Goonie] well without us, would you at this moment be marching on Catchopolis is my question
[16:02] [MasterZen] counter-factual history never gives precise answers we might, we might not, guess we'll never know :S
[16:03] [Trip] without us would CFC be alive is my question
[16:03] [Goonie] That is a very fair question
[16:03] [Goonie] And the answer is most likely no
[16:03] [Trip] ah
[16:03] [Goonie] But what I am trying to get at is this...
[16:03] [Trip] well, it's good we've been able to help each other
[16:03] [Goonie] We have both been instrumental to each other
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[16:03] [Goonie] We have both helped each other imensly
[16:04] [E_T] hey guys
[16:04] [Goonie] so, basically what I am getting at, is the border issue
[16:04] [Goonie] We would like to look at alternatives to the CFC gets west of BOP proposak
[16:05] [MasterZen] I thought we had agreed to split it that way, and have BoP in the balance to be determined
[16:05] [Goonie] well no, no one is at CFC is fessing up to having agreed, and they never polled it
[16:05] [E_T] Are we expecting anyone else to show?
[16:05] [Goonie] So here is waht I am here to offer
[16:05] [WhiteBandit] i have logs if you'd like to post them
[16:06] [Goonie] yes that would be nice
[16:06] [WhiteBandit] let me dig them up
[16:06] [E_T] let's move this to a secure room
[16:06] [MasterZen] yeah, we had a big chat with OctX a few weeks ago, a lot of guys from both Poly and CFC were present
[16:06] * Retrieving #isdgfamtalks info...
[16:06] [Goonie] If CFC takes Balance of Power, we would be going back more than 1000 years
[16:06] * MasterZen sets mode: +k shalala
[16:06] [Goonie] So here is my offer
[16:07] [Goonie] directly east of BOP there is a mountain just south of Catchopolis
[16:07] [WhiteBandit] goonie - what is your email? i can send logs right now
[16:07] [Goonie] We would like to see the border drawn along that line, giving Apolyton Catchopolis and everything to the North
[16:08] [Goonie] WB - Unfortunately no one polled it and is invalid. I do not feel comfortable giving out my email , can you PM to my Apolyton account. Goonie
[16:08] [Goonie] And give CFC that mountain and what lies to the south
[16:09] [WhiteBandit] i understand it is invalid. i'm sending you logs showing that we agreed that the issue isn't agreed on just yet
[16:09] [Goonie] This only gives us two extra cities. Thats all we would gain from more than 1000 years of war
[16:09] [E_T] Goonie, we won't let any spammers get your e-mail addy....
[16:09] [Goonie] WB - oh ok. Sorry , I took a very long sebatical
[16:09] [Goonie] Come out of retirement one might say
[16:10] [Goonie] anyways, did you all get a chance to look at a map
[16:10] [WhiteBandit] hehe excellent
[16:10] [WhiteBandit] looking at a map right now
[16:10] [Goonie] ok
[16:10] [MasterZen] this is going to be rather difficult to get the team to agree, we already discussed that chat and we thought the arrangements to be fair. We also sensed CFC was ok with it. Obviously we still have to resolve the BoP issue but that's another story
[16:12] [Goonie] yes
[16:12] [Goonie] I understand its hard to convince voters
[16:12] [Goonie] You could remind them of the history of this war
[16:12] [WhiteBandit] yes
[16:12] [Goonie] And explain to them how much we have suffered
[16:13] [Goonie] if the border was drawn at BOP we would not have gained anything from it.
[16:13] [WhiteBandit] however, the flip side is that if we split our continent down the chokepoints, we each get roughly the same amount of territory
[16:13] [Goonie] Well aPolyton on the other hand will have gained the territory of two other nations
[16:13] [Goonie] actually the west side is quite small.
[16:14] [Goonie] compartively speaking
[16:15] [E_T] Shoot, there is a Lot that you can do there
[16:15] [MasterZen] you also have to remember a bit more of the early history of that war, and that fact that Apolyton tried to stop it and got both you and GCA on the table to discuss a peaceful solution, and it went down the drain unfortunately
[16:15] [Goonie] So, we do understand, that most all of the gains were made by APolyton
[16:15] [Goonie] And we appreciate how they were very effective and killing GCa, that is why we are only asking for two cities east of BOP
[16:16] [Goonie] MasterZen, if peace had been brokered, would you have all the territory you have today?
[16:16] [MasterZen] I mean hell, we knew GCA had an itchy trigger finger and they paid the price for their agression, but we can't be expected to go out of our way when it was a war that we never wanted ourselves
[16:16] [Goonie] That war helped you hain alot of land
[16:16] [Goonie] true
[16:16] [WhiteBandit] Goonie - all we can really tell you at the moment is that we will have to take it back to our city to discuss. It will be hard to convince our citizens of your proposal though
[16:16] [Goonie] And Fanatikou is forever endetted to APolyon
[16:16] [WhiteBandit] city = citizens
[16:17] [MasterZen] instead of debt, think of friendship, we don't feel CFC owes us anything. All we want is to have a neighbor that we can trust something that never happened with CDG
[16:17] [Goonie] Ok. I understand. But, if you don't mind, may I write a little proposal for you to show to them before you bring this up with them
[16:17] [WhiteBandit] the other issue about the cities is that we're not sure we can even capture them... with GCA disbanding stuff left and right :-/
[16:17] [Goonie] True, well I will share some good/bad news with you
[16:17] [Goonie] GCA is pulling out of the west it seems
[16:18] [WhiteBandit] good, so they should fall like dominoes when you attack
[16:18] [Goonie] the bad is they are most likely moving east
[16:18] [WhiteBandit] speaking of which, what is your current status with them?
[16:18] [WhiteBandit] octavian said you guys were at war
[16:18] [WhiteBandit] but there is some confusion over that
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[16:18] [Goonie] The good is that we can talk almost all their cities
[16:18] [Goonie] yes, war
[16:19] [Bootstoots] we are at war and invading, with a half dozen troops to reach Sodapopolis next turn and some more coming in after that
[16:19] [WhiteBandit] excellent
[16:19] [Goonie] So hopefully Fanatikessen troops will see east of BOP for the first time in history
[16:19] [WhiteBandit] we've done it before, but i want to thank you guys once again for investigating for us. that has greatly helped our efforts
[16:19] [Goonie] And hopefully Fanatikesen adn Apolytonian troops will fight side by side for the first time in history
[16:20] [Goonie] WB - We are always here for you.
[16:20] [Goonie] So, can you give me abit of time to write this proposal for you to show to your citizens
[16:20] [WhiteBandit] sure thing
[16:20] [Bootstoots] btw, if Goonie's proposal doesn't go through, myself (and probably the majority of the team) would be satisfied with the original proposal, though it would be nice if we got BoP
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[16:21] [WhiteBandit] Bootstoots - sounds good, we'll discuss this back home and see what we can come up with
[16:21] [Goonie] Actually boots you are speaking for yourself.
[16:21] [MasterZen] we will post this don't worry, and the team will discuss everything
[16:22] [WhiteBandit] Well regardless of what happens, we'll have to wait on your final proposal before we can effectively make a decision
[16:23] [WhiteBandit] I do want to remind you that this current proposal may be hard to swallow, so I can't make any promises on what the people of Apolyton will say
[16:23] [Goonie] Ok, I have to go , but I will be back around 6
[16:23] [Goonie] Then I will return here to give you the proposal
[16:23] [MasterZen] yeah, all of us already had agreed to the original one
[16:23] [WhiteBandit] goonie - feel free to email it to me at whitebandito@yahoo.com
[16:24] [Goonie] ok
[16:24] [WhiteBandit] i have a concert to go to tonight so i won't be around, MZ and BF may be around to help you out though
[16:24] [MasterZen] yeah, I finally have internet again... :P
[16:24] [Goonie] ok.
[16:25] [Goonie] It was good talking to you guys again
[16:25] [Goonie] Anyone know how to make a log?
[16:25] [WhiteBandit] yup
[16:25] [BigFree] copy everything with a pen and paper...
[16:25] [WhiteBandit] click on the little icon on this chat window to the left
[16:26] [Goonie] BF good idea
[16:26] [WhiteBandit] go down to Buffer
[16:26] [WhiteBandit] then click save as
[16:26] [Goonie] ah ty
[16:26] [WhiteBandit] you'll need to change all the "[" and "]" to something though since the boards at poly and CFC don't parse that
[16:26] [WhiteBandit] so just use notepad and replace all [ with something like [ and all ] with ]
[16:27] [Goonie] ok
[16:27] [Goonie] ty
[16:27] [WhiteBandit] no problem
[16:28] [WhiteBandit] Bootstoots - how are internal affairs with CFC going if I may inquire?
[16:28] [WhiteBandit] from what I understand, some are not happy with Octavian for divulging that information?
[16:28] [WhiteBandit]
[16:30] [Bootstoots] I can't comment on that issue, unless Goonie would like me to
[16:30] [WhiteBandit] ah ok, understandable
[16:31] [BigFree] Who's is CFC's leadershi?p
[16:31] [WhiteBandit] i think what BF meant to say is "Who is in CFC's leadership?"
[16:31] [Bootstoots] Oct is our president at the moment
[16:33] [WhiteBandit] who is in charge of your FAM? Goonie?
[16:33] [Bootstoots] Zarn is, Goonie doesn't hold any position right now as he just came out of "retirement" for a few months
[16:33] [WhiteBandit] ah ok
[16:34] [WhiteBandit] who is our official ambassador?
[16:34] [WhiteBandit] i.e, who should we contact for future matters?
[16:34] [WhiteBandit] usually we can get a hold of octavian though, so that's good
[16:34] [Bootstoots] Oct is I believe, but we're about to hold elections, so that may change
[16:34] [WhiteBandit] ah got it
[16:36] [Bootstoots] I'm the Science Leader, a position so unimportant that its official office was closed for being a spam thread
[16:36] [WhiteBandit] lol
[16:36] [WhiteBandit] i remember that in our SPDG
[16:36] [WhiteBandit] we ended up tying science with the FAM
[16:36] [Goonie] ok i must leave
[16:36] [Goonie] Bye
[16:36] [Bootstoots] bye Goonie
[16:36] [WhiteBandit] see ya goonie
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[16:38] [WhiteBandit] so if i may inquire...
[16:38] [WhiteBandit] if goonie holds no official position, is he actually allowed to come in here and make proposals to us?
[16:39] [WhiteBandit] cause if not
[16:39] [Bootstoots] sure, he doesn't have to hold an official position to do that, but it is usually done by the ambassadors and FA leader
[16:39] [MasterZen] I mean not that we don't mind, it's just, how shall I say it, strange, since I assume OctX discussed what happened in the last chat in your forum
[16:40] * WhiteBandit sets mode: +b *!*@*.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
[16:40] [WhiteBandit] :-X
[16:40] [WhiteBandit] hehe
[16:40] * WhiteBandit sets mode: -b *!*@*.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
[16:40] [Bootstoots] lol
[16:40] [Bootstoots] yeah, and some people didn't like it
[16:40] [Bootstoots] some of it that is
[16:40] [Bootstoots] regarding disclosed information
[16:42] [Bootstoots] however it should be noted that the vast majority of people on CFC would approve of a full alliance with Poly in the near future
[16:43] [MRex] thats it, make it look like our people are "vast"
[16:43] [Bootstoots] lol
[16:44] [Bootstoots] actually, it wasn't over the chat but rather over a later intelligence issue that some people got angry
[16:44] [E_T] Boots, we would like nothing more than to have a full alliance with your nation
[16:44] [E_T] What issue?
[16:46] [Bootstoots] involving disclosure of conclusions from city investigations I believe...don't worry about it though
[16:47] [MasterZen] Boots, most of us also want an alliance, we're just discussing the details of it, we'll send it your way once we finalize it
[16:47] [MRex] Just wondering, what would Poly's attitude be about GCA gifting the cities west of BOP to GWT?
[16:47] [Bootstoots] ok, sounds great
[16:47] [MasterZen] hmmm, interesting scenario
[16:47] [MRex] yeah, i can't get it out of my head
[16:48] [E_T] we have discussed it somewhat ourselves
[16:48] [MasterZen] I would take them and not give a ****, but that's just me...
[16:48] [E_T] we don't want to think about it....
[16:49] [Bootstoots] that would be my reaction too, MZ
[16:49] [MRex] does that mean Poly would back any war with GWT as a result?
[16:50] [MasterZen] "any" war well, no, obviously any war involving a GWT presence in this continent would most likely receive a very harsh response from us
[16:50] [MRex] i mean a war as a result of CFC taking those cities from GWT
[16:50] [MasterZen] I would, but then again, that's just me
[16:51] [MasterZen] I mean, obviously we wouldn't support GWT instead of CFC if that happened
[16:51] [MRex] OK, would be nice to get Poly's exact position on that though.
[16:53] [MasterZen] well we'd have to discuss it, but my position is that we would not like to have GWT here
[16:53] [E_T] we are split in various discussions, and have tabled any further discussion to if it happens
[16:54] [MRex] Very well
[16:54] [MasterZen] it's a long shot if you ask me, I mean what would GCA win from that? nothing
[16:54] [MRex] A city on GWT land perhaps?
[16:54] [MasterZen] that's another thing
[16:54] [MasterZen] they might want to do that to get us into perpetual war weariness, however that should be considered an unfair exploit and if it happened we'd formally complain in the UN
[16:55] [MasterZen] nothing we can do about the city gifting itself but as long as they declare peace immediately
[16:55] [E_T] like that would really do any good....
[16:55] [MasterZen] obviously not
[16:55] [MasterZen] better to die on your feet than live on your knees for the rest of the game
[16:56] [MRex] Yeah, but it has happened before
[16:56] [MRex] Even in your PTW Demogame iirc
[16:56] [MasterZen] well, Vox has quite a bunch of cities
[16:56] [MasterZen] more than Roleplay :P
[16:57] [MRex] I don't think # of cities has much to do if it is an exploit though
[16:58] [MasterZen] what I mean is that if you have a bunch of cities it is at least more fun than having just one
[16:58] [MRex] That is true.
[16:58] [MasterZen] at least you can play "manage your little empire" instead of a one-city challange
[16:58] [MRex] Plus they would never be worthless, they still command a UN vote.
[16:58] [MasterZen] very true
[16:59] [MRex] Which would undoubtedly go to GWT
[16:59] [MasterZen] yep
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[17:00] [Bootstoots] I don't think it would, if we had 2 votes for Poly, 2 for GWT, and CGN abstaining
[17:00] [MasterZen] that would be interesting
[17:00] [MRex] 2 for poly?
[17:00] [MasterZen] space race!
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[17:01] [Bootstoots] or for us, if we end up getting a candidate position
[17:01] [MasterZen] hey, all those doughnuts I've been bribing OctX better be worth a UN vote!!!
[17:01] [Bootstoots] and if it were Poly and CFC it would be one vote for each of us and three abstentions
[17:02] [MRex] BTW, nothing I say can be taken as the official view of CFC unless I expressly say it is. Don't want to get into trouble here.
[17:02] [Bootstoots] and if it were GCA and CGN neither would win since we would both abstain
[17:03] [Bootstoots] *GWT
[17:03] [MasterZen] yeah, this game won't be won via UN most likley
[17:03] [Bootstoots] not GCA, they'd be dependennt on GWT
[17:03] [Bootstoots] *dependant
[17:03] [Bootstoots] yeah
[17:04] [MasterZen] well, space race is more fun than a stupid UN vote
[17:05] [Bootstoots] lol
[17:05] [MRex] Very true.
[17:05] [MRex] I forsee nukes being used
[17:05] [MasterZen] me too 
[17:05] [MRex] Does a nuke destroy a spaceship, I forgot?
[17:05] [Bootstoots] now that would make our game fun, especially an intercontinental nuclear war with GWT and/or CGN
[17:06] [MRex] very twisted sense of fun there
[17:06] [MasterZen] yeah, you can just see the little fishes in the ocean watching the nukes fly from one side to the other (preferrably from our side to theirs)
[17:06] [Bootstoots] lol
[17:10] [E_T] Nuc the Germans until they glow, then shoot them in the dark...
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part II Revenge of Goonie
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[17:10] * MasterZen names E_T the next ambassador to GWT
[17:10] [MasterZen] hey
[17:10] [Bootstoots] hi Oct
[17:10] [Bootstoots] g2g
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[17:11] [MRex] i remember i was in a chat for the ptw game and i congratulated the polyers there for beating up GCA. turned out some of the people there were on the German team. was embarrased.
[17:11] [MasterZen] doh
[17:12] [Octavian_X] heh
[17:12] [MRex] hi Oct
[17:12] [MRex] don't worry, i wasn't running the show
[17:26] * MasterZen is now known as MZ[PBEM]
[17:27] [MRex] cya everyone
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[17:29] [MZ[PBEM]] hey Oct
[17:30] [Octavian_X] 'lo
[17:30] [WhiteBandit] what rhymes with goonie?
[17:30] [Octavian_X] loony?
[17:30] * WhiteBandit shrugs
[17:30] [WhiteBandit] anyway, what is up?
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[17:31] [Octavian_X] not much atm...
[17:31] [Octavian_X] We're slowly advancing of Sodapo...
[17:32] * E_T is now known as E_T_outside_smoking
[17:40] * E_T_outside_smoking is now known as E_T
[17:40] [E_T] I'm going to Unpassword this room now
[17:41] [E_T] ah, already done
[17:41] [E_T] leters
[17:41] [E_T] *laters
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[18:17] [Goonie] hi
[18:17] [Goonie] ok
[18:17] [Goonie] Who can I PM the proposal to?
[18:18] [Goonie] what did that do? /notify Goonie?
[18:18] [MasterZen] WhiteBandit is your official ambassador, you can also PM to me if you wish
[18:18] [Goonie] ok I will do that since you are present
[18:19] [Octavian_elections] Goonie, you need to register your nick to send PMs over IRC here.
[18:19] [Goonie] Please note, Boots is a relatively new member and his comment did not reflect the ideas/opiniosn of the majority
[18:19] [Goonie] I am registered at Poluy
[18:19] [Goonie] os it simply MasterZen?
[18:19] [Octavian_elections] I mean, on this network.
[18:20] [WhiteBandit] you don't have to
[18:20] [Goonie] hey white
[18:20] [Goonie] O thought you were at a concerty
[18:20] [MasterZen] Master Zen
[18:20] [Goonie] Master Zen, it is sent
[18:20] [MasterZen] with a space
[18:21] [MasterZen] ok, I'll post it
[18:21] [Goonie] Thanks
[18:21] [MasterZen] np
[18:22] [Goonie] Oct. Between you and me, you got my vote for prez
[18:22] [Goonie] Apolyton keep that on the D/L please
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[18:27] [Goonie] two octavians :crazyeyes:
[18:37] [Goonie] Alrighty Master
[18:37] [Goonie] I am off to cook some lucious MAc and cheese
[18:37] [Octavian_X] send me some.
[18:37] [Goonie] Have fun with that proposal and push hard for us ok ?
[18:37] [Goonie] doughnuts too/
[18:37] [Goonie] ??
[18:37] [Octavian_X] Are you telling me what to do?
[18:38] [Goonie] no
[18:38] [Octavian_X] j/k
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[18:38] [Goonie] I am asking if you want doughtnuts
[18:38] [Octavian_X] have a nice meal.
[18:38] [Goonie] i will LD
[18:38] [Goonie]
[18:38] [Goonie] Good luck with elections
[18:38] [Octavian_X] Same to yourself.
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Goonie Strikes Back. The most ridiculous PM I have ever received
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Peoples of Apolyton,
The people of Fanatikou would like to extend our deepest and most heartfelt gratitude towards Apolyton and its wonderous and ever tactful citizens. It is clear that our nations have acheived alot with each others aid, and we would like for this to continue in the future. Toghther and only through combined efforts were we able to eliminate the Alliance threat. We each were dependant on the other for this. If GCA had not been forced to fight a two front war, we would never have been able to vanquish them.
With that said, we are coming to a critical time in our two nations history. So far, we have been good friends uniting against a common foe. Now however it looks as if this foe may not be here much longer. Fanatikou has spent more than 1000 years fighthing The Gamecatcher threat, and was figthing well before our gracious Apolytonian friends came to our rescue. Please consider us to be the British in WWII. The British fought from the beginning, and did their best to fight the nazis. The British however could not finish the war alone. Just as Fanatikou could not remove the Gamecathcer tyranny alone. The British needed help, as did we. Consider yourselfs the Americans. The Americans aided in the victory over the British, just as Apolyton aided Fanatikou to rid the world of the Alliance scum, that lay rotting on our continent.
Fanatikou suffered greatly in this war, and if Fanatikou were to take BOP and draw the border there, she will have gained nothing after a 1000 year struggle. That is why we come to you today. We would like to propose to you a fair and equitable offer regarding future borders.
Before I outline the proposal, I would like to reming the great citizens of Apolyton how much we have aided them. We provide very timely and informative screenies of GCA cities, we fought GCA alone for many years so that Apolyton could muster its forces, we make very important technological deals with Apolyton that greatly benefit both nations.
The most important point however is that for the rest of the game, we are the only people you have to rely on. We have to be here for each other to defend our wonderous continent against invasion etc... That is why we need to have a fair border for the future. Apolyton has already gained lots of territory in this war, but Fanatikou unfortunately has gained none, so please consider this proposal from your hearts, and remember we are your best - and last - friends on this continent. The majority of the Fanatikesen people will be very sad if our glorious borders end at BOP. We have all fought for a long time, and would like to have at least a little souvenir of GCA mainland.
What we propose is that Fanatikou gets BOP and that we draw a line straight east that gives Apolyton everything to the north including Catchopolis and gives Fanatikou the two small cities to the south.
On another note. Regarding the rumours you heard about internal conflict. We always want to share our intelligence with you, the only problem the citizens had with Octavians actions are that he informed Apolyton of the information without seeking consent from the people as specified by the Fanatikesen constitution.
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CGN Chat. We presented the Tech proposal to them. Miccofl seemed to like it, but has to bring it to his team to take a look at it.
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[16:45] Trip} are you still around miccofl?
[16:45] Trip} or perhaps Furloaf
[16:45] miccofl} both are handy
[16:46] Trip} ahh
[16:46] Trip} we were just curious as to the details of the "nice" stack which GWT was building up
[16:48] miccofl} 16 MI, 4 Pikes and 2 Workers all but 3 of the MI and 1 of the Pikes are vets
[16:48] Trip} where is it located currently?
[16:49] miccofl} 1-1 (SW) of Wustenblau
[16:51] Trip} ahh
[16:52] Trip} can you stop it, should they start advancing with it?
[16:53] miccofl} we can slow it down enough that we shouldn't lose much territory if any
[16:53] Trip} hmmm
[16:53] Trip} they likely have much more than that
[16:54] miccofl} true, but distance is a factor
[16:54] Trip} yes, indeed
[16:56] miccofl} any chance of you finishing off GC anytime soon? We could use the #1 slot with Lucky's luck
[16:57] BigFree} HAHA
[16:58] BigFree} What do we get in return? :hopeful:
[16:58] miccofl} our eternal gratitude
[16:58] BigFree} Of course, and that just may be enough.
[16:59] BigFree} We have almost have a plan for tech copperation between us to submit to you
[16:59] miccofl} good point
[17:00] BigFree} With there being only so many oaths to research the choices are limited
[17:00] miccofl} I have been given some incredible lattitude for tech trading
[17:00] BigFree} cool
[17:01] miccofl} basicly the word is "make something happen" so we will strike a deal
[17:01] BigFree} Understood
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[17:14] E_T} Hello
[17:15] miccofl} Hello
[17:15] E_T} we are waiting, and waiting and waiting
[17:16] E_T} atleast the germans didn;t take over 2 days to play this turn
[17:16] miccofl} yeah, just under 2 days this time
[17:16] E_T} weren't they one of the ones who wanted penalties for taking too long?
[17:17] BigFree} I think GCA was the big pusher of that idea
[17:17] BigFree} "lucky"
[17:17] miccofl} the clock was their thing, I just took it over after they gave it up
[17:17] miccofl} and then I gave up
[17:18] E_T} I bet that Poly was the only team still on plus time from teh clock
[17:18] miccofl} two teams requiring manual negative calculations without benifit of the bonuses was not the way I wanted to spend one of my days off
[17:18] miccofl} Poly GCA and CGN are still in the +
[17:19] miccofl} we had over 350 hours
[17:19] miccofl} GC was close
[17:19] E_T} Oh, in case you didn't know, I live in Winter Park
[17:19] E_T} north of Orlando
[17:19] miccofl} really
[17:19] BigFree} We lost a lot of time on that investigation of GCA
[17:19] miccofl} cool
[17:20] miccofl} yeah, but you can't count the halt of the game to investigate something like that against a team
[17:20] miccofl} further complicating the turn counter
[17:21] E_T} I was born in O-Town, raised in Apopka and my Parents were both born here, too
[17:21] miccofl} it wouldn't let you advance a team more than 24 hours
[17:21] miccofl} wow! a native - a rare breed
[17:22] miccofl} my son is a native, lives in NY now - go figure
[17:22] E_T} 2nd gen Native, ever rarer....
[17:23] miccofl} yeah, you make #8 that I know
[17:23] miccofl} I've lived here 20 years
[17:23] E_T} where from originally?
[17:24] miccofl} Northern NY
[17:24] miccofl} where NY, Ontario and Quebec meet
[17:24] * E_T grumbles about another DG Yankee...
[17:24] E_T}
[17:25] E_T} Well, atleast your from the area that talks almost the same as down here
[17:25] E_T} You don't talk through a meat grinder
[17:25] miccofl} if it makes you feel any better my great-great-great grandfather spent time in a union POW camp
[17:26] E_T} what company was he with
[17:27] E_T} and battles
[17:28] miccofl} I honestly don't know, I just remember recieiving the letter from the museum in NC (part of my grandfather's will) where receipt of my relation's letter of request for a pardon for his participation in the war was entered into their inventory
[17:28] miccofl} it was a long time ago - 1975
[17:28] E_T} hmmm
[17:29] miccofl} I was 14
[17:29] E_T} Hmmm, your my age, too
[17:29] E_T} I'm 42 now
[17:30] miccofl} me too! good to meet a fellow old fart
[17:30] E_T} we have several of them on our team
[17:30] miccofl} just me an buster over 40 here
[17:30] E_T} and then the young ones, like Trip and BF
[17:31] BigFree} what...thanks
[17:31] Trip} BF is 7 years younger than you :P
[17:31] E_T} I was thinking of that one picture that he had posted
[17:31] BigFree} At 35, I like to be called "young"
[17:31] E_T} on Hot or not, IIRC
[17:31] BigFree} LOL
[17:32] E_T} it must have been an old picture then
[17:32] BigFree} Yeah, all the FAM members had to subit a photo
[17:32] BigFree} It was about 3 years old
[17:32] BigFree} I've aged pretty well
[17:33] E_T} Trying to see who was teh better studmuffin....
[17:33] miccofl} not me, I have an ex wife
[17:33] BigFree} HAHA
[17:33] miccofl} I never had a grey hair before I met that woman
[17:33] E_T} we even had a Secession Game, Stud of the Guys was the leader
[17:35] E_T} http://central.masterzen.net/index.php?showtopic=97
[17:35] E_T} read that sometime, you;ll get a real kick out of it
[17:36] miccofl} ok, brb PBEM to play
[17:37] E_T} the ISDG one??
[17:41] E_T} here is a sampling from that succession game report
[17:41] E_T} 2550 BC - Barbs appear waaaay north
[17:41] E_T} 2510 BC - Barb battle vs. Jr. Stud Boy, wins, becomes Regular. Attacks Barb hut and takes 25 gold which he spends on hair-care products
[17:41] E_T} 2470 BC - grooming... Viking settler near our lands
[17:44] Furloaf} haha I'm reading through that, it's funny
[17:44] Furloaf} Hello btw
[17:47] E_T} hi
[17:47] miccofl} no, not the ISDG one - this one is 1922 AD
[17:47] E_T} feel free to register there, too
[17:47] E_T} MZ is getting together a C3C Demo game
[17:47] Furloaf} Not sure I could handle another demo game
[17:49] E_T} well, the also have the Boot Camps
[17:49] E_T} *they
[17:50] E_T} kind of like the AU games, but a bit different
[17:52] * miccofl sees "1625 Founded "Anti-Ming City" Moved JSB next to Ellipi" - is intrigued...
[17:53] E_T} Yeah, it was a fun game
[18:16] * E_T is now known as E_T_outside_smoking
[18:25] * E_T_outside_smoking is now known as E_T
[18:59] * Quits: Trip (trip@cgn-1C25BC96.client.comcast.net)
[20:31] E_T} zzzzzzzzz
[21:10] miccofl} It seems the turn thread is missing...
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[21:13] Arnelos} miccofl, you there?
[21:13] miccofl} yes
[21:13] Arnelos} nifty
[21:13] Arnelos} some logistical things to let you know about
[21:13] Arnelos} first, I'm no longer ambassador to CGN because I've been elected Consul
[21:14] miccofl} congratulations
[21:14] Arnelos} that said, I'll still hang out here and participate in negotiations probably on a similar level to what BigFree has
[21:14] Arnelos} thanks
[21:14] Arnelos} second, Nuclear Master is our new ambassador to CGN
[21:14] Arnelos} He's formed an account at CGN, so you can add him to the embassy
[21:14] Arnelos} I've also given him the information for connecting here
[21:15] Arnelos} as well as contact info for you, Brian the Bold, and Grungy
[21:16] Arnelos} but as I said, I'll still be around
[21:16] Arnelos} so how are things at CGN these days?
[21:16] miccofl} ok, he should have access now
[21:16] Arnelos} ok, thanks
[21:16] miccofl} we are wondering what we should research next
[21:18] Arnelos} there's actually been a good bit of discussion of the research issue
[21:19] miccofl} any conclusions?
[21:20] Arnelos} speaking of which, I should mention that a segment of our team is actually rather worried about GWT going so long without iron connected.
[21:20] miccofl} it doesn't pleasure us any
[21:21] Arnelos} well, if you guys had a technological edge, the thinking is that that would certainly help
[21:21] miccofl} indeed
[21:21] miccofl} any edged is better than none
[21:21] miccofl} edge
[21:22] Arnelos} true
[21:22] Arnelos} lemme go read the forum, I haven't been online most of the day, maybe there's some resolution to that discussion
[21:23] miccofl} ok, I'm off tomorrow I'll be up for a bit
[21:23] Arnelos} ok
[21:29] Arnelos} BF has a proposal that we've been discussing
[21:30] Arnelos} since there seems to be growing agreement behind it, I'd like BigFree to discuss it if he doesn't mind
[21:30] BigFree} The proposal has CGN going for Chivalry after Mono.
[21:30] BigFree} Chiv will be needed by CGN to counter, in part, GWT's Ansars.
[21:31] BigFree} After Chiv, we propose that CGN go after Theology
[21:32] BigFree} The first trade would look like this: APO trades Invention(44) to CGN for Chivalry(32).
[21:33] BigFree} The second part: APO trades Gunpowder(4%} to CGN for Theology(40) and either Education(44) or Printing Press(36)
[21:33] BigFree} that's 48
[21:33] BigFree} (damn smilie script)
[21:34] BigFree} we realize that that trade favor APO
[21:34] BigFree} but we may be able to counter that by agreeing to not trade to GWT.....
[21:35] miccofl} a full tech embargo?
[21:35] BigFree} yes
[21:35] Arnelos} that or money
[21:39] miccofl} I will need to consider this some and consult with my ministers, I'll have an answer for you before we send on our next turn or tomorrow evening (whichever comes first)
[21:39] Arnelos} ok
[21:39] BigFree} We could even give Gunpowder to you as soon as we get it rahter than wait for you to get one of those two other techs, but that will have to go for discussion. But, I think there's a good chance for that too.
[21:39] BigFree} Tha will help in your war, in it should happen to escalate into a full blown affair.
[21:40] miccofl} ok, I will keep that as an option for discussion - it certainly sweetens the deal
[21:40] BigFree} The deal then would be back loaded in favor in APO
[21:40] BigFree} but front loaded in favor of CGN
[21:41] miccofl} it's looking better all the time and I have positive feelings toward it, but since GWT has granted us a little time  I should at least consult with my staff
[21:42] BigFree} no problem
[21:42] BigFree} Im sorry this wasn't brought to you sooner, but we had to have some discussion
[21:42] BigFree} and embargoing another team is a big step, almost as big as war
[21:43] miccofl} understood
[21:44] miccofl} being at war, I have the luxury of not requiring a vote on an embargo of GWT
[21:45] BigFree} HAHA
[21:45] BigFree} We would agree to an embargo of GCA as well!
[21:48] miccofl} a long time ago it was said that your galley and GWT's galley's paths crossed. Any idea where that boat is now?
[21:48] BigFree} We think it must be hanging out around GCA's waters
[21:48] BigFree} or it got sunk by Barb Galleys
[21:49] BigFree} Barbs are set on raging, i believe
[21:49] BigFree} Galleys dont last long in the water
[21:49] miccofl} haven't seen any of those in a while, the Fraxis galley killed several though
[21:49] BigFree} It was Eliete, i think when we saw it
[21:50] BigFree} a 3/5 if memory serves
[21:51] miccofl} what do you think the chances are of a GCA egress giving cities to GWT on their way out?
[21:51] BigFree} That would be a big mistake by GWT
[21:51] BigFree} accepting them anyways
[21:52] miccofl} I wouldn't normally consider it, but the way this game has gone
[21:53] BigFree} consider what?
[21:53] miccofl} you got a city from CDG, we got one from Firaxis...
[21:53] BigFree} ah
[21:53] E_T} let me ask you, what would you thing if GWT had Gifted GCA some of their cities, in exchange for hitting you with elephants, at the same time as they are at war with you?
[21:54] miccofl} the phrase full force and fury comes to mind
[21:55] BigFree} yeah
[21:55] miccofl} that would really piss me off (and everybody else too)
[21:55] E_T} that has been one of the senarios that we have been thinking about
[21:55] BigFree} If GWT were to get GCA'a cities, they would be horribly corrupt.
[21:56] miccofl} we know that feeling
[21:56] BigFree} They would have to rush buy units in order to protect them
[21:56] BigFree} We would laugh, becasuse it would cost so much for GWT to try and hold them
[21:57] E_T} and they have other uses for their money, like upgrades
[21:57] BigFree} Now, if GWT never gave us peace, after all cities on our Continet were taken aways from GWT, then we would be pissed agian, but on another level.
[21:59] miccofl} the CGN-GWT peace offer (whoever offered it of anyone) still goes back and forth evey turn
[21:59] miccofl} they have not cleared it and neither have we
[21:59] BigFree} thats a game bug
[21:59] E_T} not really
[21:59] BigFree} we have experienced it with GCA
[22:00] E_T} but I always clear table before I exit
[22:00] miccofl} what happens when you clear it
[22:00] BigFree} if you put peace on the table, in order to do diplomatic checks, then it stays for some reason.
[22:00] E_T} your taking the things off of the table, AFAIK
[22:01] BigFree} right, the team that put it on, did the diplo checks, has to 'clear' it..
[22:01] E_T} then exit
[22:01] miccofl} so would that mean then that war is redeclared every turn if not accepted?
[22:01] BigFree} no
[22:02] E_T} No, but if it is accepted, they your at peace
[22:02] miccofl} they have never accepted
[22:03] E_T} but then you also get te warning that says your about to attack, do you really want to?
[22:03] E_T} No, but if it is accepted, AND YOU ALSO ACCEPT, then your at peace
[22:04] miccofl} stranger things have happened with civ, I hadn't experienced it in PBEM and had to ask
[22:04] BigFree} We got several offers of peace from GCA sent as "accepted". We knew we could accept their offer, to release War Weariness for a turn, then decalre war on them the same turn. But we felt like GCA wasn't aware of what they were doing , so it would be an exploit we were taking advantage of. So, we didn't ever accept it.
[22:05] E_T} we also found out, through experimentation, that If you except the Offer, then you go back to war teh same turn, it will use up an RNG value
[22:05] E_T} don't ask me why, but it does
[22:05] miccofl} point taken
[22:06] BigFree} also, accepting govenor build ques for Wonders use a random number for some reason
[22:06] BigFree} so, now we have a guideline when playing a turn
[22:06] E_T} I think that's way the preferance was recently changed
[22:07] BigFree} we always accept all build reccomendations at the beginnign of the turn
[22:07] E_T} BUT, If you change it to a wonder, then that effects teh RNG
[22:07] E_T} if you change it in game, then that's also o.k.
[22:08] BigFree} adding workers to cities also uses a random number
[22:08] E_T} I didn't know that
[22:08] BigFree} we work hard to make sure no exploits are used
[22:08] miccofl} we understand what production can do to the RNG but we take a different resolution. We make all builds that have a poll and those that don't (my choice) at the beginning
[22:08] E_T} what about settlers
[22:09] BigFree} same with Settlers ET
[22:09] BigFree} the reason is that the game recalculateds the corruption factors, then calculates the risk for flipping, which is a random number applied to an equation.
[22:10] Arnelos} ah, that makes sense
[22:10] E_T} ah
[22:10] miccofl} flipping lol, I'm 90-10 vs the AI
[22:10] miccofl} 3-1 vs human
[22:11] miccofl} culture as a weapon
[22:11] BigFree} yes, it can be effective for extreme warmongers
[22:11] miccofl} very expensive
[22:11] E_T} so it's more prevalant in PBEM
[22:11] BigFree} though, it should have more power than it does now to balance the game, IMO
[22:12] miccofl} did it once in IP
[22:12] BigFree} Cultural victory is tough
[22:12] BigFree} especailly the AI
[22:13] miccofl} done it in Civ3 Vanilla but not PTW
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[22:20] miccofl} Why do you all quit talking whenever Trip shows up?
[22:26] E_T} because we want him to be paraniod
[22:26] Furloaf} maybe it is related to all that revolution talk
[22:27] E_T} it makes for a better MoW
[22:27] miccofl} From mongoose201
[22:27] miccofl} Greetings to all ISDG participants,
[22:27] miccofl}
[22:27] miccofl} We are having a temporary problem with the UN forum at 1bc..... It should
[22:27] miccofl} be corrected soon. Until then, I ask that you send the saves as normal.
[22:27] miccofl} Hopefully, we will have things back up and running very soon. You can
[22:27] miccofl} still get into the UN forum..but you have to go to the 1bc home page and
[22:27] miccofl} click on the United Nations forum link in the Welcome message. The Time
[22:27] miccofl} Counter thread is offline for now and we may have to start a new one, but
[22:27] miccofl} we are not sure about the full problem yet.
[22:27] miccofl}
[22:27] miccofl} Thanks for your patience
[22:27] miccofl}
[22:27] miccofl} mongoose201
[22:28] Arnelos} interesting
[22:28] E_T} thing is, who has the save
[22:29] miccofl} Well unless you killed them last turn GCA should have it
[22:29] E_T} from what GWT had posted, I couldn't undestand what he was saying
[22:29] * miccofl bites tongue hard
[22:29] E_T} I'm assuming, that he didn;t send it out, but someone else was supposed to have done it
[22:30] BigFree} HAHA
[22:30] E_T} it's that German reverse verbage....
[22:30] BigFree} They do write a bit cryptically
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Ok, this is by far the most ridiculous chat I have ever had... EVER!
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Session Start: Wed Nov 12 12:16:31 2003
Session Ident: #isdgfamtalks
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[12:16] * Topic is '4Greetings! 2 Please "1/notify (nick)"2 us when you enter this channel so that we know you are here. We will respond as soon as we can. Thanks. '
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[14:36] [Goonie] hi
[14:38] [MasterZen] hey
[14:39] [Goonie] how are things? Any developmentS?
[14:41] [MasterZen] well, the team discussed the proposal and unfortunately did not approve it
[14:41] [MasterZen] the main reason was that we had already discussed the whole issue before and reached agreement with CFC on it
[14:42] [Goonie] ah that is quite unfortunate
[14:42] [Goonie] No, no agreement was reached unfortunately
[14:42] [MasterZen] um, yes there was, you can ask Oct
[14:42] [Goonie] Nothing was ratified by the citizens
[14:42] [Goonie] Unfortunately Oct is only about 1/50th of the population
[14:42] [MasterZen] Oct wasn't the only one there
[14:42] [Goonie] The population did not want Oct making deals without approval
[14:42] [MasterZen] Zarn, croxis, boots, etc.
[14:42] [Goonie] Yes I understadn that
[14:43] [MasterZen] obviously what is said in chats is never definite, but we discussed it and the team liked it, and well, it's been about 2-3 weeks since that
[14:43] [Goonie] The population was very disgruntled at teh deal, and that is why I came
[14:43] [Goonie] Yes, and nothing got approved
[14:43] [Goonie] May I ask why it was not approved
[14:44] [MasterZen] the original deal with CFC was approved.
[14:44] [Goonie] By Apolyton, not by CFC
[14:44] [Goonie] Why was this deal not approved
[14:44] [MasterZen] [MasterZen] the main reason was that we had already discussed the whole issue before and reached agreement with CFC on it
[14:44] [Goonie] So you are telling me taht the only reason this deal was not approved was because the other was
[14:45] [Goonie] That is a very selfish reason
[14:45] [MasterZen] we felt the original deal to have been quite fair to both
[14:45] [Goonie] CFC asks for a mere two cities after thousands of years of war
[14:45] [Goonie] Two cities...
[14:45] [MasterZen] We tried to get you to avoid the war
[14:45] [Goonie] Master Zen
[14:45] [Goonie] Without this war, you would not have half the territory you do.
[14:46] [Goonie] Your territorial gains are a direct result of this conflict
[14:46] [MasterZen] yes but we had no plans to enter it at all in the first place
[14:46] [MasterZen] you cannot confuse causality with intention
[14:46] [Goonie] that is beyond the point my friend
[14:46] [Goonie] That again has no rellevance in the matter
[14:47] [Goonie] the question is now this
[14:47] [Goonie] You have a deal approved which CFC did not approve. And Fanatikou has a deal apporved that Apolyton did not approve
[14:47] [Goonie] Where do we go from here
[14:48] [MasterZen] I was told that most people in CFC were in favor of the original proposal
[14:48] [Goonie] Because the Fanatikesen people are not happy with the old "negotiated" proposal whatsoever. They gain nothing while APolyton gains everyhing
[14:48] [Goonie] by boots?
[14:48] [MasterZen] among others
[14:48] [Goonie] Well boots does not speak for the population
[14:48] [MasterZen] well, do you?
[14:48] [Goonie] Oct does not count either
[14:48] [Goonie] The people are not happy
[14:48] [Goonie] The real people. Most of whom you have not metr
[14:49] [Goonie] The polls indicate that
[14:49] [Goonie] Now, what do you propose
[14:49] [Goonie] Fanatikou's proposal was shut down, what you are suggesting
[14:50] [MasterZen] I propose that I get an official response from an official representative from CFC wanting to renegotiate the deal, i.e., OctX, Zarn beacuse I cannot know what to say when one person tells me the people don't like that deal and another comes and says the people do
[14:50] [Goonie] I am not the official representatvie
[14:50] [Goonie] You cannot avoid me
[14:50] [Goonie] I was elected
[14:51] [Goonie] oops
[14:51] [MasterZen] what I am saying is, who do I believe? You say the people don't want it, OctX and boots say otherwise
[14:51] [Goonie] I mean I am an official
[14:51] [Goonie] ah I see
[14:51] [Goonie] Well you unfortunately will have to believe your ambassador
[14:52] [MasterZen] who is our ambassador? last time I checked it was croxis
[14:52] [Goonie] ok, Oct had a discussion wiht you
[14:52] [MasterZen] with Zarn being FAM
[14:52] [Goonie] I am your ambassador
[14:52] [MasterZen] but it's mostly OctX who hangs around here
[14:52] [Goonie] yes, well Oct is quite APolytonian some might say
[14:52] [Goonie] Was Oct given a choice?
[14:53] [Goonie] Because by his report, you guys left him no option other than your deal
[14:53] [MasterZen] Goonie, we had a very long chat about that whole thing, we did not force anyone to do anything
[14:53] [MasterZen] we have the chat logs if you want it
[14:54] [Goonie] Well he came back and reported taht your deal was the only option
[14:54] [MasterZen] I do not know what happens in your forum, all I can say is what happens in this room
[14:55] [MasterZen] and if it was the only option it's because we had agreed to it
[14:55] [MasterZen] look, I will be blunt. I had no clue you were our ambassador, at least I did not receive notice. I do not like getting conflicting information about important things. I suggest you come back, with OctX and we all discuss this with everyone present
[14:56] [MasterZen] that way we avoid the unpleasant "he said this, and he said that" without the others confirming
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[15:05] [Goonie] sporry
[15:05] [Goonie] solicitors
[15:06] [Goonie] I will not be returning with Oct
[15:06] [Goonie] Oct is not an ambassador.
[15:06] [Goonie] I am here, because I am the representative of my nation
[15:06] [Goonie] and all future dealings will be made through me, not oct
[15:07] [Goonie] Now. Again. What is your counter proposal.
[15:07] [MasterZen] yes I know, but Oct is also an official and he has said things which contradict what you are saying, so I want to know what is right
[15:07] [Goonie] What is right is waht I inform you.
[15:08] [MasterZen] when were you appointed ambassador?
[15:09] [Goonie] Elections
[15:09] [Goonie] not appointed
[15:10] [MasterZen] ah
[15:11] [Goonie] so, what do you suggest
[15:11] [MasterZen] well, there is only one alternative I can think of which is finders keepers. Whoever gets the land first keeps it. I don't see why my team would agree to anything else considering what was dealt with before
[15:12] [Goonie] Well that would be a recipe for disaster
[15:12] [Goonie] But, we cannot force you to negotiate
[15:12] [MasterZen] and that is just me speaking, not the team. We had an agreement ratified and understood it to have been agreed upon with CFC too
[15:12] [Goonie] Well that was naive
[15:13] [Goonie] you understand our system very well and know that an elite group of citizens cannot make all the decisions
[15:13] [MasterZen] when someone says "yes, we agree" in chat, and 3 weeks later doesn't come back and say "sorry, we did not ratify it" what do you think we believe?
[15:13] [MasterZen] it's not like we had the chat yesterday
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[15:13] [Goonie] You should believe that that person was acting our of their position
[15:14] [MasterZen] in that case, how do I know you or OctX is giving us the correct information?
[15:14] [Goonie] Now, I have told you that that agreement was not approved. We can negotiate further or walk away
[15:14] [Goonie] For the third tiem. I am the ambassador and whether or not you like it, what I tell is truth
[15:15] [MasterZen] sorry, I will not negotiate unless OctX and other people who were at the other chat are present
[15:15] [Goonie] Well then, you are cutting off your nose despite your face
[15:15] [Goonie] For at least the next couple of months I will be your ambassador
[15:16] [Goonie] We can either have a very effective term toghther
[15:16] [Goonie] or not...
[15:16] [MasterZen] I have no objections to that, all I want is to get the facts straight from the people who said them first
[15:16] [Goonie] I want to be as effective as possible
[15:16] [Goonie] Please tell me which statements you need help with.
[15:16] [Goonie] You have not been clear.
[15:16] [Goonie] Please specify waht statements are confusing you.
[15:16] [MasterZen] I have been very clear. I have told you that we have been told the people did agree with that proposal and you are telling me they didn't
[15:17] [Goonie] Ok I have already clarified htat
[15:17] [Goonie] You understand our system right?
[15:17] [Goonie] Well then you understand that everything needs to be put to a vote and that is why it failed
[15:17] [MasterZen] is there a problem with Octavian being here and saying it to us too? After all, if that is what happened, there should be no problem with it
[15:18] [Goonie] There is no problem with it other than he is not here
[15:18] [MasterZen] all I am saying is I want the both of you to be present, that is all. That will clear all doubts
[15:18] [Goonie] I am here and have limited tiem and all this childish nonsense is wasting my tiem
[15:18] [Goonie] I am not a liar
[15:18] [MasterZen] good, then you don't mind if we leave negotiation till both you and him are present?
[15:18] [Goonie] I don't like your implications
[15:19] [Goonie] What about next time?
[15:19] [Goonie] Will you make me come back at a time when Octavian is around?
[15:19] [MasterZen] he is around almost every day
[15:19] [Goonie] Unfortunately for APolyton, their pet is Fanatikou has no official clout in this departement any longer
[15:19] [Goonie] So, either you start to take me seriously
[15:20] [MasterZen] regardless of him having clout or not, he was PRESIDENT when he told us about CFC's position
[15:20] [Goonie] Or this is not going to be a fun and effective term. I wanted in my term to solidify our alliance and start to wrok toghther on many projects, but at this rate it wouldn;'t happen
[15:20] [Goonie] Our "PRESIDENT" has no FA power
[15:20] [Goonie] He plays the save .
[15:21] [Goonie] I wrote our consitution wiht donsig
[15:21] [MasterZen] well, Zarn and croxise had FA power and they were here
[15:22] [Goonie] Ok that is Irrelevant again/ WHy are you bringing this up? I have told you that it did not get passed by the citizens
[15:22] [Goonie] That is what matters.
[15:22] [Goonie] No, please outline for me what was wrong with THIS proposal
[15:22] [Goonie] I do not want to know about the old one
[15:22] [Goonie] I sent you a proposal to get examined not to be compared
[15:22] [MasterZen] there was no problem with the old one
[15:23] [Goonie] Again, I am unintrested in the old one.
[15:23] [MasterZen] the proposal was not accepted, I told you this already
[15:23] [Goonie] Why?
[15:23] [Goonie] what can be changed
[15:23] [Goonie] How can it approvec
[15:23] [MasterZen] I also told you why
[15:23] [Goonie] How can we make this work
[15:23] [Goonie] And I told I don't want it to be COMPARED
[15:23] [Goonie] Tell me why without comparing it to the status qup
[15:23] [Goonie] quo*
[15:24] [MasterZen] simple Goonie: our team wants everything east of BoP. It is not unreasonable given the fact we have been doing most of the destruction of GCA
[15:24] [Goonie] Ok, and who was holding them off during all those years
[15:25] [Goonie] Who distracted them to facilitate your attack?
[15:25] [Goonie] This was a team effort and unfortunately Apolyton is not acting like a team player
[15:25] [MasterZen] That was no distraction. CFC and GCA entered the war first. Apolyton was neutral
[15:25] [MasterZen] do not blame us, nor expect undue compensation from something we had no part in
[15:25] [MasterZen] we jumped on the bandwagon because of the offer CDG gave us before they died
[15:25] [Goonie] Ok so I was right
[15:26] [Goonie] You are not willing to negotiate
[15:26] [Goonie] You were most likely the same way before
[15:26] [Goonie] Fanatikou has no choice
[15:26] [Goonie] You never were open to negotiation
[15:27] [MasterZen] oh yes we were, he spent hours in that chat, we've had a long and trustworthy relationship. That does not mean we must be forced to sign every agreement we get
[15:28] [Goonie] Nor does it mean we will sign this one. OCt's report clearly indicates that we had no choice
[15:28] [Goonie] Let it be known that we wanted to negotiate
[15:28] [MasterZen] again, that is not what most of your team has told us
[15:28] [Goonie] AGain, Your ELITE contacts are not the poplulous
[15:28] [Goonie] So please refrain from mentioning them
[15:29] [MasterZen] if not then why should we trust anything anyone from CFC says? Someone has to represent the people and that is what you are here for
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[15:29] [E_T] hello all
[15:29] [Goonie] I represent the people
[15:29] [Goonie] I have said that you my friends must wait for a poll
[15:29] [Goonie] I do not know how many times you will need to be briefed on this
[15:29] [Goonie] E_T
[15:30] [Goonie] What did you dislike about the proposal
[15:31] [MasterZen] probably the same thing as everyone else
[15:31] [Goonie] I asked ET
[15:32] [E_T] asked me what?
[15:32] [Goonie] [Goonie] E_T
[15:32] [Goonie] [Goonie] What did you dislike about the proposal
[15:33] [E_T] Hey, I seem to have come into the middle of something, so I give NO opionions until I fully know what is going on
[15:33] [MasterZen] btw, E_T is not part of the FAM and is not required to respond
[15:33] [Goonie] I know that
[15:33] [MasterZen] he's not even involved in FAM stuff, he's our minister of interior
[15:33] [Goonie] I would like someone to give me an answer that does not deal with the old proposal since you seem unable to providre
[15:33] [E_T] I'm just an average Joe Citizen who likes to keep informed...
[15:34] [MasterZen] I thought your name way Roy :P
[15:34] [E_T] call me a watchdawg of our elected officials....
[15:34] [E_T] if tehy stray, I growlll
[15:34] [Goonie] alright.
[15:34] [MasterZen] Goonie, I gave you an answer. If that did not satisfy you then no answer will
[15:35] [Goonie] Your answer only says this " We want the one thats better for our team."
[15:35] [Goonie] "Even though it is not juste."
[15:35] [MasterZen] so does yours
[15:35] [Goonie] no it doesn't
[15:35] [MasterZen] who says what is just and what isn't?
[15:35] [Goonie] It would be unfair ifff.
[15:35] [Goonie] we demanded all of the GCA mainland like what you are doing
[15:35] [Goonie] We want a mere two cities on hte mainland
[15:35] [Goonie] You have already gained ELucidian territory and GCA
[15:36] [Goonie] Us = 0.
[15:36] [Goonie] Your answer does not spell out any problems. It simply says we like this better so we will ignore your proposal.
[15:37] [MasterZen] look Goonie, I have said it many times. Apolyton did not want to enter this war
[15:37] [MasterZen] we went in after CDG convinced us to, only then
[15:37] [Goonie] Ok, then Apolyton does not want the Territory that coems wiht uit
[15:37] [Goonie] We GOT CDG to convince you!
[15:37] [Goonie] anyways
[15:37] [Goonie] Im out.
[15:38] [MasterZen] how about this argument, if it wasn't for us, CFC would be dead
[15:38] [Goonie] I will report that APolyton is unwilling to negotiate
[15:38] [MasterZen] you better post the chat so people can judge by themselves
[15:38] [Goonie] true, but GCA would be unstoppable and you would be dead as well
[15:38] [MasterZen] not necessarily
[15:38] [Goonie] MasterZen. Do not tell me how to do my job.
[15:39] [MasterZen] we are not asking for compensation for saving CFC. We are not in here to owe or to be owed. All we want is a fair deal
[15:39] [Goonie] yes, you owe all your new territory to this war. yet you act as if it was not a blessing
[15:39] [E_T] And what exactly IS your Job?
[15:40] [E_T] What Official Position do you hold in teh Current (or upcoming new) administration?
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[15:40] [MasterZen] finally!
[15:40] [MasterZen] welcome
[15:40] [Goonie] Octavian
[15:40] [E_T] Hey Oct
[15:40] [Goonie] A moment
[15:40] [Goonie] #private
[15:40] [Octavian_X] Hello.
[15:40] [E_T] Goonie, Please Answer my question
[15:41] [MasterZen] Oct, you should really read this log, it's been "interesting"
[15:41] [E_T] [E_T] And what exactly IS your Job?
[15:41] [E_T] [E_T] What Official Position do you hold in teh Current (or upcoming new) administration?
[15:41] [Goonie] Ambassador
[15:41] [MasterZen] btw, are you still president atm Oct?
[15:41] [Octavian_X] still, yes.
[15:44] [E_T] MZ, Please secure this room
[15:44] * Retrieving #isdgfamtalks info...
[15:44] * MasterZen sets mode: +k fanatic
[15:44] * BigFree sets mode: -k fanatic
[15:44] * BigFree sets mode: +k shalala
[15:44] [MasterZen] doh
[15:44] [Goonie] ?
[15:44] [BigFree] hey peeps
[15:45] [Goonie] hi
[15:45] * BigFree goes back to linerging in obscurity.....
[15:46] * Goonie wonders if anything more will happen
[15:46] [Goonie] Are we done Master?
[15:46] [MasterZen] Oct, now that you are here...
[15:46] [MasterZen] some things I would like to get straightened out
[15:47] [MasterZen] as I have just told Goonie, our team rejected his border proposal
[15:47] [Goonie] I will be AFk in 5 minutes
[15:48] [Octavian_X] To be honest, that's what I had more or less expected.
[15:48] [MasterZen] most of our guys were of the idea that the previous arrangement had been satisfactory to CFC
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[15:48] [Goonie] Which it turns out was not.
[15:48] [MasterZen] we discussed it and approved it, and since you guys did not say anything about it, assumed that CFC was comfortable with it
[15:49] [MasterZen] and now Goonie is saying that most of the people were against it
[15:49] [Goonie] yet you understadn our polling policy
[15:49] [MasterZen] so now that you are both here, were there polls, was it voted on? what happened with that proposal?
[15:49] [Octavian_X] There is no official position of the Fanatikese government on any of the border proposals.
[15:50] [Octavian_X] Unfortunately, the majority of discussion on this subject was very informal, as it wasn't a pressing mater.
[15:50] [MasterZen] ok, that is neither a yes nor a no, Goonie was saying it was rejected, something that surprised me
[15:52] [Octavian_X] To be frank, I had been under the impression the matter was over as well.
[15:52] [Octavian_X] This new proposal was an effort but some for a better deal.
[15:54] [MasterZen] well our team did discuss and vote on both. Obviously the first deal passed, hell, it had basically passed since that chat since we had discussed it previously actually
[15:54] [Octavian_X] Let me see if I can get our FA minister Zarn in here.
[15:54] [Octavian_X] I need to run...
[15:55] [MasterZen] ok
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[16:01] [MasterZen] brb
[16:10] [Goonie] Whatever. You will deal with me in the future. It is noted that Apolyton was unwilling to negotiate.
[16:11] [MasterZen] that will be up to your team to decide
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WhiteBandit
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Southern California
Jul 2002
time: 21:34
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Was bored so I loaded up ICQ and found... LUCKY! Decide to open up a random chat with him :-D
quote:
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:34 PM hey lucky
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:35 PM long time no talk! despite the dubious
circumstances of course
Lucky 11/15/20 5:35 PM oh hi there
Lucky 11/15/20 5:35 PM what dubious circumstances?
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:35 PM our war :P
Lucky 11/15/20 5:36 PM treacherous, dishonorable, lying,
disappointing ... yes
Lucky 11/15/20 5:36 PM but dubious, hmm...!
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:36 PM well dubious seemed like a nice word to put
all those things together into
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:37 PM i guess it looks like CGN is going to make GWT
replay the save again? :-/
Lucky 11/15/20 5:37 PM I guess so
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:38 PM ugh! we're all anxious to play on. i think
it's been a week since we last got it :P
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:38 PM did you have any luck communicating to them
last time what CGN had a problem with?
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:38 PM hell, there is much debate on our team whether
it is an exploit or not
Lucky 11/15/20 5:38 PM yeah, I believe they understood what was
expected of them
Lucky 11/15/20 5:39 PM not quite sure if they fully understood that
by mongoose´s ruling it is now considered
illegal though
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:39 PM the split seems to be fairly even on whether
or not it's an exploit. we've all used it
before whether it's in the ISDG or internal
pbem games.
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:39 PM yeah
Lucky 11/15/20 5:39 PM which I disagree with, btw
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:39 PM i disagree as well
Lucky 11/15/20 5:40 PM as should be obvious with my "feude" with
micco
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:40 PM i'm not sure if mongoose understands the game
mechanics well enough either :-/
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:40 PM ah yes, i just read that
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:40 PM my personal opinion is that CGN is being
somewhat whinny about it as well, but nothing
we can do about that
Lucky 11/15/20 5:41 PM yeah, unfortunately not
Lucky 11/15/20 5:41 PM I do wanted to speak out against their call
for punishment immediatly though
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:42 PM yeah, i don't blame you. miccofl's punishment
is somewhat extreme
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:43 PM but then again, they don't really need to be
punished... they are just using rules that are
part of the mechanics of our game
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:43 PM some people fail to understand that for some
reason
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:44 PM i don't think firaxis even recognizes that as
a bug/exploit either
Lucky 11/15/20 5:45 PM they don´t
Lucky 11/15/20 5:45 PM they explicitly said so
Lucky 11/15/20 5:45 PM at CFC
Lucky 11/15/20 5:45 PM Soren said so
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:46 PM then what on earth is mongoose smoking?
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:46 PM i wonder if he's ever played civ3? :P
Lucky 11/15/20 5:47 PM well, micco says that his tests revealed that
in PBEM games it does give an advantage to
teams playing later in the row
Lucky 11/15/20 5:47 PM something that vondrack confirmed
Lucky 11/15/20 5:47 PM doesn´t happen in hotseat games apparently
though
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:47 PM ah i remember those posts now. yeah
Lucky 11/15/20 5:49 PM it´s simply annoying by now, IMO
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:49 PM yeah, definitely
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:49 PM there's already some talk going around about a
conquests ISDG... is GCA considering fielding
a team?
Lucky 11/15/20 5:51 PM of course, we were already invited and made
our first welcomes as well as fielded some
questions and opinions
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:51 PM excellent!
Lucky 11/15/20 5:51 PM it would be great if it could become a real MP
game though
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:51 PM not sure what is going on with poly at the
moment. our resident troll panag thinks he's
putting it together which has scared a lot of
people off
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:52 PM hopefully if one does come together, we're all
sensible enough to agree on some issues before
the game starts, like time counters, what is
and isn't exploits, battle reports and the
like. plus has an administrator who doesn't
talk about the game like a leaky faucet...
Lucky 11/15/20 5:52 PM hmm, CDG is doing it and Micaelis Rex the
driving force as far as I can see
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:52 PM we were able to find out about some wars on
the other continent before we even had contact
thanks to talking with him...
Lucky 11/15/20 5:53 PM consider him the rumors you can get from
travellers
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:54 PM haha i guesso
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:55 PM alright, i need to go tackle some physics...
just wanted to check in since it's been awhile
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:55 PM if you have any pressing concerns, feel free
to contact me (for example, if you'd like to
gift the great library to us, we'd be more
than willing to accomodate it!
Lucky 11/15/20 5:56 PM lol
Lucky 11/15/20 5:56 PM naw, we honor every promise like we honor
every treaty
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:56 PM hehe :-D
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:57 PM lol, wonderful
Lucky 11/15/20 5:57 PM and our promise was that you won´t gain
anything from us
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:57 PM i remember... i was just thinking since it's
nearing christmas and all, you might have a
change of heart
Lucky 11/15/20 5:58 PM not for traitors
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:58 PM ouch.
Lucky 11/15/20 5:59 PM the truth hurst, doesn´t it?!
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 5:59 PM well it wasn't that, we were just hoping to
have a happy christmas ;P
WhiteBandi 11/15/20 6:01 PM well in any case, i bid you a good evening
lucky! we'll chat again.
Lucky 11/15/20 6:02 PM good night
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:34
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Chat with miccofl of CGN:
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miccofl> BTW, do we have a deal on the Chiv-Edu-Theo for Inv-Gun trade?
miccofl> should the game move on...
Arnelos> that's the deal BF sent you?
Arnelos> it's been a while... I honestly don't remember the details
miccofl> yes
Arnelos> ok
Arnelos> We agree with the deal BF sent you
miccofl> This is what I based our voice vote on
miccofl> [00:32] Arnelos> since there seems to be growing agreement behind it, I'd like BigFree to discuss it if he doesn't mind
miccofl> [00:32] BigFree> The proposal has CGN going for Chivalry after Mono.
miccofl> [00:33] BigFree> Chiv will be needed by CGN to counter, in part, GWT's Ansars.
miccofl> [00:33] BigFree> After Chiv, we propose that CGN go after Theology
miccofl> [00:34] BigFree> The first trade would look like this: APO trades Invention(44) to CGN for Chivalry(32).
miccofl> [00:35] BigFree> The second part: APO trades Gunpowder(4%} to CGN for Theology(40) and either Education(44) or Printing Press(36)
miccofl> [00:35] BigFree> that's 48
miccofl> [00:35] BigFree> (damn smilie script)
miccofl> [00:36] BigFree> we realize that that trade favor APO
miccofl> [00:36] BigFree> but we may be able to counter that by agreeing to not trade to GWT.....
miccofl> [00:37] miccofl> a full tech embargo?
miccofl> [00:37] BigFree> yes
miccofl> [00:38] Arnelos> that or money
miccofl> [00:41] miccofl> I will need to consider this some and consult with my ministers, I'll have an answer for you before we send on our next turn or tomorrow evening (whichever comes first)
miccofl> [00:41] Arnelos> ok
miccofl> [00:41] BigFree> We could even give Gunpowder to you as soon as we get it rahter than wait for you to get one of those two other techs, but that will have to go for discussion. But, I think there's a good chance for that too.
miccofl> [00:42] BigFree> Tha will help in your war, in it should happen to escalate into a full blown affair.
miccofl> [00:42] miccofl> ok, I will keep that as an option for discussion - it certainly sweetens the deal
miccofl> [00:42] BigFree> The deal then would be back loaded in favor in APO
miccofl> [00:42] BigFree> but front loaded in favor of CGN
Arnelos> ok
Arnelos> what specifically does CGN want as the deal?
miccofl> so the deal is based on us getting Gunpowder as soon as it is available after giving you chivalry for Invention and the embargo
Arnelos> sounds like what BF proposed
Arnelos> is the deal for Edu or PP, though?
miccofl> ok, just double-checking
Arnelos> Edu, I see
Arnelos> miccofl> BTW, do we have a deal on the Chiv-Edu-Theo for Inv-Gun trade?
miccofl> The idea is for GWT not to get Chivalry, Invention or Gunpowder from a trade
Arnelos> right
Arnelos> so it's Chiv-Edu-Theo for Inv-Gun, along with the embargo?
Arnelos> any other conditions on the final deal?
Arnelos> we forward Gun as soon as we get, right?
Arnelos> *get it
miccofl> We have to trade Chiv for Inv first or you cannot give us Gun
miccofl> about 9-10 turns off iirc
miccofl> What I proposed and was accepted by my team - the quote...
miccofl> If you will provide us with Invention for Chivalry and give us Gunpowder, as soon as it is available, for Education and Theology with an embargo against the GWT we accept the deal.
miccofl> We will of course provide Theology as soon as it is available as well
Arnelos> ok
Arnelos> wow, the log of this is going to be the first real activity in our forum in days
miccofl> I know the feeling
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:34
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talk with OctX about the Catchopolis investigation:
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Session Start: Mon Nov 24 16:55:46 2003
Session Ident: #isdgfamtalks
[16:55] * Now talking in #isdgfamtalks
[16:55] * Topic is '4Greetings! 2 Please "1/notify (nick)"2 us when you enter this channel so that we know you are here. We will respond as soon as we can. Thanks. '
[16:55] * Set by BigFree on Sun Oct 12 00:42:39
[16:55] * ChanServ sets mode: +o MasterZen
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[17:15] [Octavian_X] Hey, just a quick question...
[17:15] [Octavian_X] did you guys want our map in return?
[17:15] [Arnelos_eating] OctX - well, I'll admit we have a bit of an issue
[17:15] [Arnelos_eating] I'm in favor, BigFree is against, notyoueither is not online
[17:16] [Arnelos_eating] so how long, really, can you wait?
[17:16] [Octavian_X] We essentially need to declare this turn to continue our advance on Lucky Harbor.
[17:16] [Octavian_X] They built an outpost on a road we were about to use.
[17:17] [Arnelos_eating] ah
[17:17] [BigFree] thats sucks
[17:17] [Arnelos_eating] I noticed the outpost during our turn
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[17:17] [Arnelos] I wondered why they would actually expend a worker for that
[17:18] [Octavian_X] So that we couldn't capture it. :s
[17:18] [Octavian_X] there was no escape for the thing.
[17:18] [Arnelos] ah
[17:19] [Octavian_X] Well, Trip is telling me to go ahead with an investigation in our embassy channel. Is that a go?
[17:19] [MasterZen] yes
[17:19] [BigFree] Yes
[17:19] [Arnelos] yes
[17:19] [BigFree] Trip was very persitent
[17:20] [Trip] yes ;P
[17:20] [Octavian_X] And it is understood that we will get 66g to pay for the investigation, right?
[17:20] [BigFree] Yep
[17:20] [Arnelos] that was the substance of the discussion
[17:20] [Trip] no, we will demand you pay us for conducting it
[17:21] [BigFree] The reason I was against it is that the info guarantees us nothing, since GCA plays after this investigation and before us.
[17:21] [BigFree] If we could get CGN to do it would be better
[17:21] [BigFree] That way the info is current, at least for our turn.
[17:22] [Octavian_X] true.
[17:22] [BigFree] We appreciate CFC doing this for us though, just the offer is most appreciated
[17:22] [Trip] we'd thought you were officially at war
[17:23] [BigFree] It would cost more for CGN to do it too.......
[17:23] [Trip] no kidding
[17:23] [Trip] a capital city across the entire map
[17:23] [Trip] probably would have been ~150 gold
[17:24] [Octavian_X] ouch...
[17:24] [Octavian_X] They've got horsemen galore in there...
[17:25] [Trip] ?
[17:25] [MasterZen] how many?
[17:25] [Octavian_X] Catchopolis, that is.
[17:26] [Arnelos] we follow
[17:26] [Trip] injured?
[17:26] [Arnelos] numbers, please
[17:26] [Octavian_X] 5 horses, most full.
[17:26] [MasterZen] ahhh, I thought i'd be like 20
[17:26] [MasterZen] (not)
[17:26] [Trip] oh, only 5
[17:26] [Trip] :P
[17:26] [Arnelos] yeah, 5 isn't that many
[17:26] [MasterZen] how damaged are the damaged ones?
[17:26] [Octavian_X] 8 pikes
[17:26] [Octavian_X] one damanged
[17:26] [Octavian_X] horse
[17:26] [Arnelos] Trip was right
[17:26] [Octavian_X] 2 med infs.
[17:27] [Octavian_X] 3 are in a horse army, if I'm not mistaken...
[17:28] [Arnelos] hmm... probably a mixed-unit army
[17:28] [Trip] you sure?
[17:28] [Trip] we saw 1 vet Pike in an army not too long ago
[17:29] [Octavian_X] Dunno. You can't tell which ones are in which army at all from city screens.
[17:29] [Octavian_X] It's just a guess.
[17:30] [Trip] okay
[17:30] [Trip] please send the screenshot when you get the chance
[17:30] [Octavian_X] I'll do so right now, since we're not doing anything else. _
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[17:30] [Trip] great, thanks
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:34
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Chat with OctavianX of CFC about his election losses:
quote:
WhiteBandit> hey octavian
Octavian_X> 'lo WB
WhiteBandit> if i may ask, what type of platform did goonie run?
Arnelos> hey Octy
conmcb25> Hi Octavian
Octavian_X> Dunno how to describe it, nor even if I should.
Arnelos> while you're at it, I'd *love* to get election results on all of CFC's elections... I work in politics in real life, so bear with me
Octavian_X> heh
Octavian_X> There'd be several people lining up to shoot me if I did.
Arnelos> d'oh
Arnelos>
Arnelos> I love that sort of stuff
WhiteBandit> well i'm assuming it's somewhat more anti-apolyton... i'm not trying to make that sound hostile or anything. i'm just thinking, would it be right to assume people weren't happy with how you've dealed with us?
Octavian_X> To some extent, I do too.
WhiteBandit> *dealt
Octavian_X> Yes, there was some anger toward how I dealt with certain situations.
WhiteBandit> aren't you a moderator? you should just ban them all
Octavian_X> No, I'm a useless peon.
Octavian_X> Chieftess is the high and almighty mod.
WhiteBandit> well then, she should just ban them!
Octavian_X> If only it were that easy.
Octavian_X> Anyway, I think the reponse to Goonie' first chat with Apolyton scared the poor guy off.
Octavian_X> I've not seen him around for a while...
WhiteBandit> hehe
Arnelos> wow
WhiteBandit> he better learn to hang in the big leagues this is a serious game :P
Arnelos> OctX - any chance we can get Zarn in here for some chats at some point?
Octavian_X> Probably. I'll PM him soon...
Arnelos> I'd like that, thanks
Octavian_X> Any specific subject?
Arnelos> not that I can think of... just that it woudl be nice to keep the lines of communication open with an official CFC mouthpiece
Arnelos> that said, I know Togas wants to work on an alliance agreement with you guys
Arnelos> I figure Zarn is probably the man for the job on your side, considering that he's your FAM (so both official and obviously has support if he was just elected), he's diplomatic, and carries respect in both CFC and Apolyton
Arnelos> of course, GingerBreadMan and bootstoots, your new execs, are welcome here as well - I don't know them as well
WhiteBandit> i like how you ommitted a certain name :P
Arnelos> we need to keep communication open between our governments
WhiteBandit> that's fine though...
* WhiteBandit sets mode: +k nogooniesallowed
WhiteBandit>
* WhiteBandit sets mode: -k nogooniesallowed
WhiteBandit> i've actually never met gingerbreadman
WhiteBandit> at leasti don't think i have
Arnelos> yeah, I honestly know nothing about him
WhiteBandit> i may have seen him in a SPDG chat at CFC once
Arnelos> so what's up with you, Octy? From what Chieftess mentioned, you ran for more than one position?
Octavian_X> Yeah...
Octavian_X> President, FAM, and Apolytonian Ambassador.
Arnelos> geesh
Octavian_X> I bowed out to let Goonie win ambassador, know I had no chance to win FAM (just wanted to see a race there for once), and still lost Prez.
WhiteBandit> prez isn't worth it
WhiteBandit> you do one thing, people yell at you
Arnelos> I was confused by what Chieftess said about the President race... 3 people ran and the 2nd place gets VP or something like that?
WhiteBandit> you do the other, people yell at you
Octavian_X> 3 people ran.
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Octavian_X> There's a seperate VP election./
WhiteBandit> MZO!
Arnelos> ah
Arnelos> ok
Octavian_X> 'lo MZ
WhiteBandit> i mean.. MasterZen is Online!
Arnelos> lol
MasterZen> hahah
Arnelos> so, Citizen OctavianX, feels like an episode of Babylon 5 with G'Kar ;p
Octavian_X> speaking of MZO, I've got some teams to send into oblivion...
Octavian_X> hehe
Arnelos> OctX, did you notice that I used "Citizen" as my title in 1BC when I posted there before being named Consul
Arnelos> *?
Octavian_X> heh
Octavian_X> nope.
WhiteBandit> don't worry, i didn't either
Arnelos> I had some mostly private enjoyment from that
Arnelos> anyhow, Citizen OctavianX... any plans for your immediate future?
Octavian_X> Oh, not much.
Octavian_X> Sit back, relax, wirte a book, gain control of the nation through a political party...
Octavian_X> The usual.
Arnelos>
Arnelos> political parties
* Arnelos misses the party politics of the Apolyton SPDG of old...
Arnelos> but I'd rather not see them in the ISDG... politics ends at the border's edge and all
* MasterZen starts the "Master Zen groupes party"
MasterZen> *groupies
Arnelos> not that Apolyton ISDG doesn't have it's politics... oh boy
Arnelos>
* Octavian_X calls his 'Octavian's Lackies' Party to arms.
Arnelos> I once had a party that elected me to all sorts of positions... we called it the "Democratic Industrialists of Apolyton" ;p
* WhiteBandit doesn't need parties. he's his own party
Octavian_X> lol
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Part I
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Session Start: Tue Dec 09 11:56:30 2003
Session Ident: #demogame_cfc_embassy
[11:56] * Now talking in #demogame_cfc_embassy
[11:56] * Topic is ' 4Welcome to the Fanatikese Embassy - Trade Discussion - Joint Military Planning - Diplomatic Discussions '
[11:56] * Set by CivGeneral!~Simman198@2142b218. on Fri May 02 17:14:15
[12:00] *Cheetah* hi Trip
[12:00] *Arnelos* I'm here, too
[12:01] *Trip* hiya
[12:01] *Trip* they don't care about you Arne ;
[12:01] *Trip*
[12:01] *Arnelos* lol
[12:01] *Arnelos* I'm here because I need to meet more CFC people
[12:02] *Cheetah* hehe
[12:02] *Cheetah* well hello then
[12:07] *Cheetah* i guess i should introduce myself to. i'm Justice of the Court of Fanatikou and ambassador to Netatolia
[12:08] *Arnelos* Cheetah - we shared a job not too long ago
[12:08] *Arnelos* I was our Ambassador to CGN before being elected Consul
[12:09] *Cheetah* k
[12:11] *Arnelos* so chief justice of the court, eh?
[12:11] *Cheetah* btw, may i ask how many GCA units you have the count of at the moment?
[12:11] *Cheetah* yup
[12:13] *Arnelos* Trip may have a better idea of that than me, since he seems to think he knows how many units GCA has
[12:13] *Cheetah* realy
[12:13] *Arnelos* that said, the GCA fragment in the GCA/CFC area is probably very very small
[12:13] *Arnelos* a few pikes, only one sighted horseman
[12:13] *Cheetah* well we got a bit of knowledge of them
[12:15] *Cheetah* they just managed to take out our forces heading for Port Blacksand, and though we don't know what is inside the city, we see a number of Pikes and the horse outside it
[12:15] *Cheetah* but have anyone of them fled east to Dun na Anarchy?
[12:15] *Arnelos* yes
[12:15] *Arnelos* quite a number
[12:16] *Arnelos* including their pike armyu
[12:16] *Cheetah* hm k
[12:16] *Arnelos* E_T, for one, believes they're intending to do a Dunkirk-style evacuation with galleys from Anarchy or Silk-city
[12:16] *Arnelos* then send the survivors to the islands south of CFC
[12:17] *Cheetah* i wonder how many galleys they have
[12:17] *Arnelos* well, the one we trapped in the lake/sea is headed north up our coast
[12:17] *Arnelos* we think it likely has the evacuated survivors of Lucky Harbor
[12:18] *Arnelos* only one galley, so we can handle it if they land anywhere
[12:18] *Cheetah* hm. interesting
[12:18] *Cheetah* we have a galley in the lake as well now
[12:18] *Arnelos* we figure they used that galley to evacuate Lucky Harbor with the idea to send the survivors through BoP and around to the CFC islands
[12:18] *Cheetah* i think it should go for a hunt
[12:18] *Trip* Cheetah: did you split up your army going after all those cities?
[12:18] *Trip* and GCA destroyed what you had heading for Blacksand?
[12:19] *Cheetah* they abandoned all their cities, but yes, or army was split
[12:19] *Cheetah* we figured that they would put all their defense in Balance of Power and let Port Blacksand fall as easily as the others. We were wrong.
[12:19] *Arnelos* you have any idea how big the GCA force that killed your army was?
[12:20] *Cheetah* no
[12:20] *Trip* how many units did you have going for Blacksand?
[12:20] *Arnelos* Cheetah - actually, after GCA abandoned CATCHOPOLIS (on a hill) rather than defend it, we guessed they'd do the same with BoP... if they weren't going to defend Catch, they weren't going to defend anything
[12:21] *Chieftess* [14:21] *Arnelos* E_T, for one, believes they're intending to do a Dunkirk-style evacuation with galleys from Anarchy or Silk-city -- You mean they're purposely exiling themselves?
[12:21] *Cheetah* but it was the smallest part of our army. lets see...
[12:21] *Arnelos* Chieftess - E_T, at least, believes so
[12:23] *Trip* their Pike Army is probably in the silk city
[12:23] *Trip* or near to it
[12:23] *Trip* it's not in Anarchy
[12:23] *Cheetah* hm
[12:23] *Cheetah* 3 Med Infs and 1 Pike
[12:24] *Cheetah* hm
[12:25] *Cheetah* if they dont evacuate Port Blacksand it might require a bit of effort to take it
[12:25] *Trip* all were destroyed on the same turn?
[12:25] *Cheetah* yes
[12:25] *Trip* hmmmm
[12:25] *Trip* that's trouble
[12:25] *Trip* adjacent to Blacksand?
[12:26] *Cheetah* what?
[12:27] *Trip* were those units adjacent to Blacksand when they were killed?
[12:28] *Cheetah* yep
[12:28] *Cheetah* hm
[12:31] *Trip* that could be trouble
[12:31] *Trip* at least 4 offensive units then
[12:32] *Trip* plus that extra Horseman and 2 Pikes just west of the BoP site
[12:32] *Cheetah* there are 3 more pikes and a spear you dont see one tile more west of those again
[12:33] *Arnelos* heh... I was right about that
[12:33] *Trip* was there a Pike showing in Blacksand when you moved next to it?
[12:34] *Cheetah* yes. it had just arrived then
[12:34] *Trip* so they've got quite a force over there
[12:34] *Trip* 6 Pikes, 1 Spear, at least 5 offensive units
[12:34] *Cheetah* apparantly
[12:35] *Cheetah* GCA are fighting to the end and has nothing to lose...
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[12:37] *Cheetah* hm. Have you ever won a fight against GCA btw?
[12:37] *Arnelos* on offense or defense?
[12:37] *Arnelos* we've NEVER won on defense
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[12:38] *Cheetah* hm
[12:38] *Cheetah* but you've won on offensive?
[12:38] *Arnelos* they've killed so many numidian mercenaries with horsemen that's is sickening
[12:38] *Arnelos* *that it's
[12:39] *Trip* btw, are you guys going to play the save soon?
[12:39] *Cheetah* yup
[12:39] *Cheetah* will start in 20 min
[12:39] *Trip* okay
[12:39] *Trip* have you taken a look at the save yet?
[12:40] *Cheetah* yes
[12:40] *Cheetah* that is why we hold the save until now
[12:41] *Cheetah* took some screens and have some discussion on the forums before we play it
[12:41] *Arnelos* well, the more GCA units you kill, the better
[12:41] *Trip* okay
[12:42] *Arnelos* we've certainly been trying to kill as many as possible
[12:42] *Cheetah* hehe of course
[12:42] *Cheetah* but how many does they have on you side?
[12:42] *Arnelos* we don't know... since we think they're evacuating them
[12:42] *Trip* every time we get near them they run further
[12:42] *Cheetah* any idea on the number of ships they have?
[12:43] *Arnelos* not reallly
[12:43] *Arnelos* there's at least one in the south
[12:43] *Arnelos* the one that killed our galley
[12:43] *Trip* I suspect they only have 2 total
[12:43] *Trip* Arn: that one could be the one in the lake now
[12:43] *Arnelos* Trip - could it have gotten that far?
[12:43] *Trip* yep
[12:43] *Arnelos* ok
[12:43] *Trip* it's been 5 or so turns since then
[12:44] *Cheetah* so outside the lake only 1 is confirmed?
[12:44] *Trip* outside the lake none are confirmed :P
[12:44] *Trip* I suspect they have 1 more outside though
[12:44] *Cheetah* none?
[12:44] *Cheetah* k
[12:45] *Trip* I talked a bit with Boots the other day about you guys protecting that small island to your west from GCA
[12:45] *Arnelos* Cheetah - we can't see everything
[12:45] *Trip* if they do have Galleys outside of the lake then they may try to run there
[12:45] *Trip* could be very troublesome if they end up with a Pike Army and a couple cities on that island
[12:45] *Arnelos* that's what we think they might do... evacuate to the islands south of CFC
[12:45] *Cheetah* yes
[12:45] *Trip* perhaps you could station a few units on the island and keep a couple Galleys on watch for GCA ships?
[12:46] *Cheetah* we are discussing that
[12:46] *Cheetah* we are able to station units there in 3 turns.
[12:46] *Trip* good
[12:46] *Cheetah* but we are fearing that they might try to land right on our cities
[12:47] *Cheetah* so some argue to not sending away any defensive units
[12:47] *Arnelos* good point
[12:47] *Arnelos* thing you need most are galleys
[12:47] *Trip* yes
[12:47] *Trip* it may be a good idea to put a few OFFENSIVE units on the island to attack anything that lands
[12:47] *Trip* and keep the defensive units at home
[12:47] *Trip* Galleys on watch to your south
[12:49] *Cheetah* unfortunatly our production base are still suffering from the war with GCA
[12:49] *Arnelos* indee
[12:49] *Cheetah* we arent able to get all the units we need
[12:49] *Arnelos* *indeed
[12:49] *Trip* Galleys are probably most important
[12:49] *Arnelos* which brings up a good point... I wonder how on EARTH GCA has produced all they have
[12:49] *Trip* with more of them you don't have to have offensive OR defensive units
[12:50] *Trip* no kidding
[12:50] *Trip* 26 defensive units
[12:50] *Trip* at least 15 offensive unist
[12:50] *Trip* units
[12:50] *Trip* and even a Market in Catchopolis
[12:50] *Arnelos* and their home territory is mostly non-improved... so what tiles were they working??
[12:50] *Cheetah* hm
[12:50] *Trip* probably forest
[12:50] *Trip* their cities didn't grow all that fast
[12:50] *Arnelos* perhaps
[12:54] *Cheetah* About our tech-agreement; Are there any restrictions on how we can aquire Monotheism?
[12:55] *Arnelos* you're going to get it from CGN?
[12:55] *Trip* as long as you guys trade it to us once you get it, then I don't think so
[12:55] *Cheetah* good
[12:55] *Arnelos* yeah, I can't see it mattering
[12:55] *Cheetah* i believe so yes
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[13:00] *Trip* Cheetah: what do you have in mind for future tech consideration for CFC?
[13:00] *Cheetah* what i think cfc should research after Monotheism?
[13:00] *Trip* well, what you were planning on doing
[13:01] *Trip* if you do buy Monotheism from CGN then you'll have to figure out something to do next pretty soon
[13:02] *Cheetah* i believe we will start on Chivalry
[13:02] *Cheetah* what are you researching atm?
[13:02] *Trip* Invention still
[13:03] *Cheetah* k
[13:03] *Cheetah* many turns left?
[13:03] *Trip* quite a few I think
[13:03] *Trip* 20 or so
[13:04] *Cheetah* k
[13:04] *Arnelos* we're doing a 40-turn research to build cash
[13:05] *Cheetah* build cash? how much are you getting in and how much do you have?
[13:05] *Arnelos* enough to make the next tech research faster
[13:06] *Cheetah* hehe
[13:06] * Cheetah can guess what that next tech would be
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[13:08] * ChanServ sets mode: +oa FortyJ_At_Work FortyJ_At_Work
[13:08] *FortyJ_At_Work* 04,00° 05,00 Have no fear... 04,00FortyJ 05,00 is here! 04,00°
[13:09] *Trip* no fear from me
[13:09] *Arnelos* yeah, not scared
[13:09] *FortyJ_At_Work* dangit
[13:10] *FortyJ_At_Work* I was really hoping to startle some of you
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[13:10] *Cheetah* hehe
[13:10] * Trip puts on his fear face just for FortyJ
[13:10] *FortyJ_At_Work* that's better
[13:11] *Arnelos* but didn't you want to be the guy who took people's fear AWAY?
[13:11] *FortyJ_At_Work* depends on who I'm talking to 3; 4) 1
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[13:11] *FortyJ_At_Work* which brings me to this: who are you?
[13:11] *Arnelos* I'm a Consul of Apolyton
[13:12] *Arnelos* we have 3 of us
[13:12] *FortyJ_At_Work* I don't recognize the nick // pleasure to meet you.
[13:12] *Arnelos* yeah, I don't think I've ever hung out in the CFC areas before
[13:12] *FortyJ_At_Work* that's ok. I don't hang out here much anymore either 3; 4) 1
[13:12] *Arnelos* only CFC people I know are Chieftess, OctX, and Zarn
[13:12] *Trip* and Goonie
[13:12] *Arnelos* I've actually never been in a chat with Goonie
[13:13] *Trip* ahh
[13:13] *Cheetah* you dont know me?
[13:13] *Trip* or boots or CG?
[13:13] *Arnelos* though I certainly know him by reputation ;p
[13:13] *Arnelos* I know of several CFC people by reputation
[13:13] *Trip* definitely CG
[13:13] *Arnelos* CivGeneral, bootstoots, you Cheetah
[13:13] *Cheetah* what. i have a reputation?
[13:13] *Arnelos* but not much other than names, to be honest
[13:14] *Arnelos* CivGeneral is the one with the reputation, yes
[13:14] *Arnelos* Trip - you still winning the Consul election 24-19?
[13:15] *Trip* I will check in a bit
[13:15] *Arnelos* if so, it looks like by tomorrow that the 3 Consuls of Apolyton will be notyoueither, myself, and Trip
[13:15] *Arnelos* it seems that both CFC and Apolyton are largely replacing their leaderships at the same time
[13:16] *Arnelos* or at least reshuffling
[13:16] *Arnelos* so I'd like to get to know more of you if I can
[13:17] *Arnelos* speaking of which, I haven't talked to Zarn in ages... where is he, anyhow?
[13:18] *Cheetah* he's foreign minister
[13:18] *Trip* yes, the election is still 24 to 19
[13:18] *Cheetah* and he just spoke to trip iirc
[13:18] *Trip* yes, I got a PM from him
[13:18] *FortyJ_At_Work* have you guys met everyone in the MSDG?
[13:18] *Trip* I sent him one back telling him that someone from our team would contact him soon
[13:20] *Arnelos* as I said, I don't know very many people in your MSDG
[13:20] *Arnelos* really only OctX and Chieftess, and Zarn
[13:21] *Trip* I know everyone
[13:21] *FortyJ_At_Work* sorry... I meant, has Apolyton met all the civs in the game?
[13:21] *Trip* well, who has ever been in chat
[13:21] *Arnelos* ah
[13:21] *Arnelos* yes
[13:21] *Arnelos* so have you now, I believe
[13:22] *FortyJ_At_Work* yes
[13:24] *FortyJ_At_Work* one sec
[13:24] *Arnelos* we were trying to work a deal to give CGN contact with you, but they turned us down since they had a suicide galley
[13:25] *Arnelos* so you got contact just as quickly
[13:26] *FortyJ_At_Work* apparently
[13:26] *FortyJ_At_Work* do you mind me asking what your relationship with the western powers is?
[13:26] *Arnelos* if you reciprocate
[13:27] *FortyJ_At_Work* brb
[13:28] *Cheetah* recipocate? * Cheetah finds his dictionary *
[13:30] *Chieftess* If Internet Exploder weren't locking up, I'd point you to www.dictionary.com with the definition
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[13:30] * Arnelos finds this somewhat amusing
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[13:32] *FortyJ_At_Work* back
[13:32] *Trip* welcome back
[13:32] *FortyJ_At_Work* so we're talking about relationships with the west, right?
[13:32] *Arnelos*
[13:32] *Arnelos* you asked, yes
[13:33] *FortyJ_At_Work* good
[13:33] *Arnelos* *FortyJ_At_Work* do you mind me asking what your relationship with the western powers is?
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[13:33] *Arnelos* *FortyJ_At_Work* brb
[13:33] *Arnelos* *Cheetah* recipocate? * Cheetah finds his dictionary *
[13:33] *FortyJ_At_Work* ack... I'm being PMed
[13:34] *FortyJ_At_Work* rather IMed *-still a little new to the lingo
[13:34] *FortyJ_At_Work* ok
[13:35] *FortyJ_At_Work* as you have guessed, we just recently met with CGN
[13:36] *FortyJ_At_Work* they wish to trade with us, and become friendly, but as they are at war with GWT, that friendship may come at the cost of losing a potential friendship with GWT
[13:36] *FortyJ_At_Work* plus, we do not wish to accidentally befriend someone that our brethren in the north consider an enemy
[13:36] *Arnelos* we've seen something similar, both CGN and GWT seem to wait frienship on the terms that we not befriend the other
[13:36] *FortyJ_At_Work* so we are approaching you to seek your counsel
[13:37] *Arnelos* that said, we know for a fact that CGA and GWT have been very friendly
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[13:39] *Trip* he means GCA and GWT
[13:39] *FortyJ_At_Work* right
[13:39] *Arnelos* my bad, typo
[13:39] *Cheetah* figured that. i was wondering why you said GCA was very friendly :P
[13:39] *Arnelos* as I meant to say, GCA and GWT have been quite friendly
[13:39] *Arnelos* to each OTHER
[13:40] *Cheetah* i understood that
[13:40] *Trip* hehe
[13:40] *Arnelos* We've attempted to be friendly with both GWT and CGN
[13:40] *Arnelos* CGN has been more responsive
[13:40] *Arnelos* but both are at least marginally friendly
[13:41] *FortyJ_At_Work* that about sums up our relationships as well
[13:41] *Arnelos* We suspect that GCA has the ear of GWT and GWT is likely buying into what GCA may be telling them about CFC and Apolyton. It is a concern.
[13:41] *FortyJ_At_Work* although GWT has probably been a little more icy than what you have experienced
[13:41] *FortyJ_At_Work* probably because of our blood-feud with GCA 3; 4) 1
[13:41] *Arnelos* most certainly
[13:42] *FortyJ_At_Work* it is definitely a concern
[13:42] *Arnelos* it's possible that GWT could gift GCA a city on their continent to keep them alive, though I think Mongoose201 would object if the purpose of this was to cause perpetual war weariness
[13:42] *FortyJ_At_Work* I understand you've experienced a handful of GCA's "luck" with the RNG?
[13:42] *Arnelos* heh
[13:43] *Arnelos* indeed we have
[13:43] *FortyJ_At_Work* as have we all
[13:43] *Arnelos* they've killed a sickening number of numidian mercenaries with horsemen
[13:43] *Arnelos* guarded by catapults I might add
[13:43] *FortyJ_At_Work* impressive
[13:43] *Arnelos* I think the count is up to 8 or 9 last I saw
[13:43] *Chieftess* hmm... I wonder if someone neutral could look at the save in a hex editor.
[13:43] *FortyJ_At_Work* I guess you weren't informed that they were permitted to mod the game to enhance their units?
[13:44] *Chieftess* There's a line (don't know if it works in MP) where you can see if the save has been reloaded.
[13:44] *Arnelos* (chuckle)
[13:44] *Arnelos* We've been looking at ways to proove they've been cheating for a long time now, I will admit
[13:44] *Chieftess* Has the save game grown quite a bit in Gamecatcher encounters?
[13:44] *Arnelos* Mongoose201 has already looked at their saves with his own limited abilities to discern what is afoot, he agrees the situation is highly suspicious
[13:44] *Chieftess* i.e., when they attack, does the save grow 1,000 bytes or so faster?
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[13:45] *Arnelos* Chieftess - I do not know
[13:45] *FortyJ_At_Work* well, no matter
[13:45] *Arnelos* I don't believe we or Mongoose has looked at that, specifically
[13:45] *Arnelos* We have had Mongoose checking their saves... as far as he can tell, everything works out... we suspect they are reloading, at the least
[13:45] *FortyJ_At_Work* I'm celebrating when they finally die
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[13:46] *FortyJ_At_Work* drinks will be on me everynoe
[13:46] *FortyJ_At_Work* *everyone
[13:46] *Cheetah* hehe
[13:46] *Arnelos*
[13:46] *Arnelos* much of Apolyton will drink to that
[13:46] *Trip*
[13:46] *FortyJ_At_Work* so, I think it's safe to say that GWT is likely allying with GCA (either directly or in spirit)
[13:47] *Trip* we're hoping that GCA doesn't mysteriously end up with Chivalry
[13:47] *Arnelos* we believe it's quite likely that they have... but when GCA dies, they're going to need a new foreign policy
[13:47] *FortyJ_At_Work* and therefore, it would be in our mutual interest to aid CGN as much as possible
[13:47] *Arnelos* Forty - quite possibly, we've been seeking a very friendly relationship with CGN
[13:48] *Arnelos* I was our ambassador to them before becoming Consul, so I know a thing or two about that
[13:48] *Arnelos*
[13:48] *Arnelos* The thing we're honestly worried about is that our Mil Strength to GWT is weak, but we are strong to CGN
[13:49] *Arnelos* if GWT invades and conquers CGN, the ISDG is over
[13:49] *FortyJ_At_Work* that could be misleading
[13:49] *Arnelos* it could be
[13:49] *FortyJ_At_Work* GWT could have lots of horsemen
[13:49] *FortyJ_At_Work* and CGN could have pikes
[13:49] *FortyJ_At_Work* although, let's just hope those horsemen weren't trained by GCA
[13:50] *Arnelos* indeed
[13:50] *Chieftess* yeah, GCA has some strange horses indeed...
[13:50] *Chieftess* Maybe they're really elephants in disguise.
[13:51] *Arnelos* the sheer number of GCA *elite* horses and Great Leaders is cause enoug for suspicion, yes
[13:51] *Arnelos* heh... they're no elephants... they die easily enough when they're on defense
[13:52] *FortyJ_At_Work* any idea on how many galleys GCA has? ...and where they might be headed?
[13:52] *Arnelos* we've killed a whole ton of GCA horsemen and pikemen
[13:52] *Arnelos* differing opinions on that, since we don't know for sure
[13:52] *Arnelos* best guess of mine is that that they have 2-4 galleys, probably 3
[13:53] *Arnelos* 1 is in the lake
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[13:53] *Arnelos* the other 1-2, mabye 3, are south of GCA
[13:53] *FortyJ_At_Work* probably attempting an end-around maneuver?
[13:53] *Arnelos* a few on our team believe they are loading up whatever they can carry to evacuate to the CFC islands, others believes they're merely ferrying forces between Silk-city and BlackSand
[13:53] *FortyJ_At_Work* although I suspect that at least one of them has a settler that may not ever touch land again
[13:54] *FortyJ_At_Work* just keep sailing around perpetually at war
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[13:54] *Trip* however, they can't go far though
[13:54] *Arnelos* Forty - mongoose would not let CDG use that tactic of the settler on a galley when GCA complained about it... I doubt he'd like GCA use it
[13:54] *FortyJ_At_Work* ShangMan's doin' the hokey-pokey or something
[13:54] *Trip* they can't cross over to the other continent, you guys have them cut off on the west, we can get them from the east
[13:55] *Arnelos* and no amount of reloading will guarantee that their galley doesn't sink in the ocean
[13:55] *FortyJ_At_Work* true, but they could head to the polar caps
[13:55] *Arnelos* polar caps are not coastal in Civ3
[13:56] *FortyJ_At_Work* oh yes
[13:56] *Arnelos* they'd still sink
[13:56] *FortyJ_At_Work* good point
[13:56] *FortyJ_At_Work* but if GWT gets to navigation, we'd never find that galley
[13:56] *Arnelos* only option they really have is to just stand and die or try to run to those islands near you guys
[13:56] *Trip* it's a long ways to Navigation
[13:57] *Arnelos* either way, the galley itself will get pinned in by our gallies headed south and any you build near your capital... they lost BoP, so they can't have a galley enter the lake anymore
[13:57] *Trip* we'll have driven them off of our side of the continent in the next 6-8 turns probably
[13:57] *Trip* maybe more if they continue to retreat
[13:57] *FortyJ_At_Work* they've got one more stronghold on our side
[13:58] *FortyJ_At_Work* but it will take some doing to drive them from our shores
[13:58] *FortyJ_At_Work* but, we'll get it done
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[13:58] *Arnelos* well, I need to take care of errands in RL, so I'll be back to chat later
[13:58] *Arnelos* good talking to you all
[13:59] *Cheetah* cya
[13:59] *FortyJ_At_Work* cya
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[13:59] *Trip* yes
[13:59] *Trip* it appears as though Blacksand may be tough to crack
[13:59] * Arnelos is now known as Arnelos_AWAY
[13:59] *Trip* you should try to eliminate as many of their forces isolated outside of the city as you can
[13:59] *Trip* they have at least 6 Pikes, 1 Spear and 5 offensive units on your side
[14:02] *FortyJ_At_Work* yeah... we've been mopping up some of their forces in the west
[14:02] *FortyJ_At_Work* and we've got some fresh troops hungry for the kill heading east as we speak
[14:03] *Trip* good
[14:03] *Trip* as I was telling some of your teammates earlier investing in a few Galleys now that it looks like GCA is taking to the sea may be a good idea
[14:04] *FortyJ_At_Work* we'll have to
[14:04] *FortyJ_At_Work* especially if they do get to that island and establish a foothold there
[14:04] *FortyJ_At_Work* we don't want them raiding our coastline
[14:05] *FortyJ_At_Work* fortunately, they will have a rather diminished productive capacity
[14:05] *FortyJ_At_Work* so, with their "luck", the odds should be more even
[14:05] *FortyJ_At_Work* 3: 4) 1
[14:05] *Trip* hehe
[14:05] *Trip* if you can get just 2 or 3 Galleys in your southern waters then none of their troop transports would make it at all
[14:05] *Cheetah* but if the hold all the tiles on the smallest island we wont be able to touch them!
[14:06] *Trip* true...
[14:06] *Trip* which is why it's important to get those Galleys out fast as possible
[14:07] *FortyJ_At_Work* but if that's all they have, who cares
[14:07] *Trip* they can stay at war with us forever
[14:07] *FortyJ_At_Work* you're talking about an island with 2 mountains and 2 tundra tiles
[14:07] *FortyJ_At_Work* or close to that
[14:07] *FortyJ_At_Work* true, that would be bad
[14:07] *Trip* yes
[14:07] *Cheetah* its only the war weariness that troubles me
[14:07] *Trip* all they would need is 4 units
[14:07] *Trip* or 1 city and 3 units... 2 Galleys full
[14:07] *Trip* agreed Chieftess
[14:07] *Cheetah* we could easily make sure they wont be able to hurt us.
[14:07] *Trip* err, Cheetah, not Chieftess
[14:08] *FortyJ_At_Work* heh
[14:08] *Cheetah* but the war weariness are not that easy to stop :/
[14:08] *FortyJ_At_Work* a little freudian slip?
[14:08] *Trip* nahhh
[14:08] *Trip* I pressed tab too soon and the ch+tab turned into Chieftess instead of Cheetah
[14:08] *Cheetah* hehe
[14:08] *Trip* how long before you have 1 Galley which can watch that small island?
[14:08] *Cheetah* i know that one
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[14:09] *Cheetah* Bootstoots
[14:09] *Trip* hiya boots
[14:09] *FortyJ_At_Work* not sure
[14:09] *FortyJ_At_Work* I no longer see the saves 3: 4( 1
[14:09] *FortyJ_At_Work* rather 3: 4) 1
[14:09] *FortyJ_At_Work* 3; 4) 1
[14:09] *Trip* haha
[14:09] *Trip* does anyone know
[14:09] *Cheetah* huh?
[14:09] *Trip* Cheetah, boots?
[14:09] *FortyJ_At_Work* anyway... I need to return to work
[14:10] *Trip* okay
[14:10] *Cheetah* k
[14:10] *Trip* thanks for stopping by FortyJ
[14:10] *Bootstoots* what do you need to know?
[14:10] *FortyJ_At_Work* cheetah - can you post a log of this chat?
[14:10] *Cheetah* i will
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[14:10] *Cheetah* we have a galley ready as we speak
[14:11] *Trip* in the water?
[14:13] *Chieftess* That's usually where galleys are...
[14:13] *Bootstoots* (they could be in the city, CT)
[14:13] *Chieftess* which is in the harbor, on the water
[14:13] *Chieftess*
[14:13] *Chieftess* ok, maybe in a drydock, but still...
[14:14] *Chieftess* if you abandon a city with a galley in it, the galley will disappear.
[14:14] *Trip* :P
[14:14] *Trip* in any case
[14:14] *Cheetah* they are putting on the last stroke of paint now :P
[14:14] *Trip* (obviously) be sure to head that thing east
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[14:15] *Trip* you can probably catch any GCA Galleys near the tip of your side of the continent
[14:15] *Cheetah* east? i was thinking of sending it up north to discover some shroud around gwt's land...
[14:15] *Trip* that works too
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Start of #demogame_cfc_embassy buffer: Tue Dec 09 17:31:43 2003
[16:12] * Now talking in #demogame_cfc_embassy
[16:12] * Topic is '4Welcome to the Fanatikese Embassy - Trade Discussion - Joint Military Planning
- Diplomatic Discussions'
[16:12] * Set by CivGeneral!~Simman198@2142b218. on Fri May 02 17:14:15
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[16:13] [MasterZen] muahaha, we outnumber
[16:14] [Trip]
[16:15] [Trip] Zarn is coming soon
[16:16] [Bootstoots] hi MZ and WB
[16:16] [MasterZen] hello
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[16:17] [Zarn] Ok, I'm here
[16:18] [MasterZen] hey
[16:18] [Zarn] Hi all
[16:18] [Trip] hiya Zarn
[16:19] [Trip] you said in your PM there are some things you want to discuss
[16:19] [Zarn] I wanted to talk about the borders of Apolyton and CFC. I know that there was a
misunderstanding before.
[16:20] [MasterZen] yes, there had been a slight misunderstanding. Goonie said stuff that
contrasted with what OctX had said before
[16:21] [Zarn] Yes, I heard
[16:21] [WhiteBandit] hey Bootstoots!
[16:21] [WhiteBandit] hey zarn
[16:21] [Bootstoots] hey WB
[16:22] [WhiteBandit] well crap
[16:22] [Trip] brb
[16:22] [WhiteBandit] i just got booted from poly chat :-/
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[16:22] [Trip] me too
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[16:22] [WhiteBandit] wrong button
[16:22] [WhiteBandit] did poly just die trip?
[16:23] [MasterZen] yep
[16:23] [Trip] the chat disconnected for me
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[16:23] [MasterZen] [16:22] [MasterZen] my god, it was a massacre!!!
[16:23] [WhiteBandit] guess we're hanging out here for now
[16:24] [Zarn] Goonie's statement wasn't official. He 'chatted' with you before becoming an
ambassador and played hardball not relizing our relationship.
[16:25] [MasterZen] we noticed
[16:25] [Zarn] Please, tell me what Apolyton thought the borders were before Goonie's chat
[16:26] [MasterZen] we had a big chat with you guys, IIRC you were present, we had basically
agreed to split all lands east of the chokepoint to Poly and all lands west to CFC
[16:27] [Zarn] Yes, I remember that, although I was disconected for a large postion of that chat.
[16:27] [Zarn] That CFC currently agrees with
[16:27] [MasterZen] hmm, Goonie said otherwise... hahahha
[16:28] [Zarn] well Goonie isn't the foreign minister or active for about a month
[16:28] [Bootstoots] lol, I had to make a statement saying that our previous deal would be fine by
us, and he thought I ruined the chat
[16:29] [MasterZen] yeah, we tended to believe more what OctX said to us than Goonie
[16:29] [WhiteBandit] i think togas is currently drafting up alliance stuff as well as border
proposal stuff
[16:29] [Zarn] We just want to know about the Balance of power area. Our civ wants control of it,
because we had to fight a long hard fight with GCA. How do you guys feel about it?
[16:30] [MasterZen] I know we have already a pretty big draft of an alliance agreement, some
details though are still being debated
[16:30] [Zarn] Actually we our polling an alliance to send to you.
[16:30] [WhiteBandit] haha nice
[16:30] [Bootstoots] authored by yours truly
[16:30] [Zarn] I was about to say that
[16:31] [MasterZen] well the BoP issue is perhaps the source of most debate around here, as you
can imagine our team wants it too
[16:32] [Bootstoots] It would probably be best for each of our nations to control one of the
chokepoints, as we would both have ocean access to the lake
[16:32] [WhiteBandit] regarding that area too, there's plans to build our new capital down there
since that land is much more fertile than anything we have up north.
[16:33] [WhiteBandit] BoP will be a very low corruption city for us, hence why we feel very
strongly about wanting to keep it
[16:34] [WhiteBandit] how would you guys feel if we could possibly work something out by giving
you guys equilibrium?
[16:34] [Bootstoots] actually, I was just about to propose that
[16:35] [WhiteBandit] 
[16:35] [MasterZen] it's just an idea btw, we have to debate it
[16:35] [WhiteBandit] we'll take this back home and see what we can do with it
[16:35] [WhiteBandit] it seems like an excellent compromise though
[16:35] [WhiteBandit] of course
[16:35] [Zarn] I'm sure something can be worked out, but I would have to get citizen's input on
that one. We can't tie the deal without citizen backing as you may know.
[16:35] [MasterZen] same here
[16:36] [WhiteBandit] exactly
[16:36] [MasterZen] don't take anything we say as official just yet
[16:36] [WhiteBandit] we're just trying to throw around ideas
[16:36] [Bootstoots] yeah, I was going to mention that too, Zarn
[16:36] [Bootstoots] but I agree, it does sound like a very good compromise
[16:36] [Zarn] Believe us, we will let our citizens know
[16:36] [WhiteBandit] we'd much rather like the find a solution beneficial to both of us rather
than saying "GO EAT DONUTS!" and leave ;P
[16:36] [MasterZen] although OctX might enjoy that too
[16:37] [Zarn] same here
[16:37] [Bootstoots] lol
[16:37] [Zarn] lol
[16:37] [WhiteBandit] true
[16:38] [Bootstoots] brb
[16:38] * Bootstoots is now known as Boots_afk
[16:40] [MasterZen] btw, to avoid any future unpleasantries should Goonie come back, do you mind
if we sent you an official treaty settling the borders east and west of the chokepoint without
mentioning yet the status of BoP or Eq?
[16:41] * Boots_afk is now known as Bootstoots
[16:41] [Bootstoots] back
[16:41] [MasterZen] so far it's been more of a keep-my-word thing, but its always better to have
it in writing
[16:41] [Zarn] sure
[16:41] [MasterZen] ok, I'll work on this right now...
[16:41] [Zarn] I mean go ahead
[16:41] [Zarn]
[16:41] [MasterZen] it'll be sent your way shortly, likely later today
[16:42] * Arnelos_AWAY is now known as Arnelos
[16:42] [Zarn] ok
[16:43] [Zarn] Are you sending it via pm
[16:43] [MasterZen] I was planning on an e-mail to the msdg@civfanatics.net address, or would you
prefer a PM?
[16:44] [Zarn] it doesn't matter. Either is fine.
[16:47] [Arnelos] hey Zarn, long time, no talk to
[16:47] [Zarn] Hi, Arnelos
[16:47] [Zarn]
[16:50] [Arnelos] well, gotta go again
[16:50] * Arnelos is now known as Arnelos_AWAY
[16:54] [Zarn] What relationship does Poly have with other civs, currently?
[16:55] [MasterZen] we preach the word of peace and frienship from sea to shining sea
[16:55] [MasterZen] except to GCA :P
[16:55] [Zarn] of course
[16:55] [Zarn] We are doing the same currently
[16:56] [MasterZen] well we get along with pretty much everyone except GWT since they are rather
hermetic
[16:56] [MasterZen] might be the language barrier
[16:56] [Zarn] They hate to chat with everyone but GCA
[16:56] [MasterZen] bad choice of team to ally with
[16:56] [Zarn] Though one GCAer is German
[16:56] [MasterZen] yeah, the big one
[16:59] [MasterZen] still, considering that GCA will be out of the picture soon, I'm very much
surprised why they chose them to get so close to. Obviously the language, but in a game like
this, that's pretty damn stupid
[16:59] [Zarn] I don't get it, either
[16:59] [Zarn] CGN seems to want us (both CFC and Poly) to be their friend
[16:59] [Zarn] on the other hand
[17:00] [Bootstoots] of course, this puts us on CGN's side to some degree...I can't understand why
GWT won't respond to us
[17:00] [MasterZen] because you are at war with their bed buddies GCA
[17:01] [Zarn] I think they had some GCA propaghanda driled into their heads
[17:01] [Bootstoots] but why they decided to befriend a dying nation rather than two potentially
helpful ones...that I don't understand
[17:02] [MasterZen] stoooooooopeeeed
[17:04] [Bootstoots] that explains it in a nutshell
[17:05] * Arnelos_AWAY is now known as Arnelos
[17:07] [Arnelos] funny, didn't I just discuss this with Chieftess and Cheetah in this channel
earlier ;p
[17:08] [Zarn] Is there anything you guys want to talk about right now?
[17:08] [Arnelos] not that I can think fo
[17:08] [Arnelos] *of
[17:08] [Arnelos] the big thing is the alliance
[17:09] [Arnelos] seems that groups on both sides are drafting a potential agreement
[17:09] [Arnelos] I suppose we'll take a two houses of Congress approach
[17:09] [Arnelos] each side drafts their agreement, then we meet in conference to iron out the
details, finally get each population to ratify
[17:09] [Bootstoots] that sounds good to me
[17:10] [Zarn] That sounds great
[17:11] [Arnelos] I'll have to go remind Togas to finish that, then
[17:11] [Zarn] ok
[17:11] [Arnelos] he's probably in court today, so he won't be online until later
[17:12] [Zarn] Tomorrow, Thursday, or Friday is fine
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[17:13] [Bootstoots] what if we include the border treaty as part of the treaty of alliance, and
it can be one of the details discussed at the conference
[17:13] [Bootstoots] ?
[17:13] [Arnelos] that might work
[17:13] [Arnelos] we're going to have to agree to all of this
[17:13] * MasterZen was drafting the border agreement atm
[17:13] [MasterZen] (minus the BoP part)
[17:13] [Arnelos] Our two teams are going to have a strong mutual interest for a VERY long time to
come... our continent is by far the weaker of the two. We have every reason to iron things out
and work toward a good relationship.
[17:14] [Bootstoots] we could ratify them separately, it doesn't really matter to me
[17:14] [Bootstoots] agreed
[17:19] [Zarn] who wouldn't agree to that part?
[17:19] [Zarn]
[17:21] [Bootstoots] GCA
[17:21] [Arnelos] sorry, talking with my Dad on the phone
[17:21] [Arnelos] we'll figure things out in conference once we both have a treaty to play with
[17:21] [MasterZen] ok, just posted a draft border proposal in our forum, it sould get the
approval of the team (i mean, we approved it already anyway)
[17:21] [Zarn] ok
[17:21] [Bootstoots] ok
[17:22] [Zarn] cool
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[17:26] [MasterZen] anything else, so I can post this chat?
[17:27] [Bootstoots] so, when should the conference be held?
[17:27] [Zarn] I have nothing further to say at this time
[17:27] [MasterZen] boots: as soon as we each finish our alliance drafts
[17:28] [Bootstoots] ok
[17:30] [Zarn] I have some work to do right now. People, I will see you later. Don't be afraid to
pm me.
[17:30] [Arnelos] ok, cya
[17:30] [Bootstoots] bye Zarn
[17:30] [Octavian_X] Until later, Zarn.
[17:30] [Zarn] bye
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MSN chat with mongoose about GCA's escape:
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mongoose says:
there we go
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
hey
mongoose says:
Trip says:
the war is being wrapped up now
Trip says:
however, as you've no doubt heard from many places now, GWT and GCA especially seem to be up to something most foul
mongoose says:
that's as far as we got
mongoose says:
What do you think they are doing?
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
well, this turn GWT gifted a city to GCA
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
which in itself is not bad, the problem is if its a GCA plan to keep us at war forever and ever and ever
mongoose says:
I have been afraid of that, and somehow hoped it would never come to pass
mongoose says:
How much does GCA have left on your continent
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
very little
mongoose says:
Well, Lucky asked me for a rules interpretation a few weeks ago... I can't tell you what he asked, but it had nothing to do with keeping you guys at war, directly
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
again, we don't really mind if GWT decides to give GCA a new home, that's none of our business and we have no say in things like that, but perpetual WW.... that's a VERY cheesy tactic
mongoose says:
I agree... but, it's somewhat difficult to legislate peace
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
true but still, I think these things should be interpreted due to their intent. Obviously legislating peace in the middle of a war is wrong, but keep it years after the war ends de facto?
mongoose says:
I hope and pray that that's not what they have planned, but I know that they feel very slighted by the way things have gone in the game (regardless of his ridiculous, otherworldly "luck")
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
it's a blatant use of a game mechanic to harm another team without any way of the other team doing anything about it
mongoose says:
agreed
Trip says:
it all snowballed from THEM attacking CFC
mongoose says:
And if they are given a home deep in the heart of GWT or some other inaccessable place, I won't allow them to keep you at war just for their own revenge when they are, in effect, defeated.
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
I truly hope that isn't what they are planning but still, we know very well GCA's utter contempt towards us and what they would do anything to harm us, which is understandeable, as long as its something within the spirit of the game
Trip says:
Lucky did say they had something "big" planned to get back at us
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
ICBMs
mongoose says:
I know...I heard some of the same, and I have looked at a couple saves
mongoose says:
yes, it will be raining nukes soon
Trip says:
or Knights, anyways
mongoose says:
hey.. you have your GA yet?
Trip says:
no
Trip says:
they haven't lost a battle
mongoose says:
you have got to be shitting me
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
well, trip thinks that Apolyton's golden age was triggered after he won the last election
mongoose says:
hehe
Trip says:
they just destroyed 4 CFC units too
Trip says:
not only do they have invincible units, but they spawn randomly
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
yep, it seems GCA never lost an attack against our mercs
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
which is b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
at least from a probabilistic standpoint
Trip says:
it's good we got rid of them now
mongoose says:
well, they obviously had a couple horseman retreats, but that is complete crap.... I can't help but wonder how many times they have to reload to get that result... And why they think nobody realizes it... or maybe they don't care
Trip says:
if they ever got a chance to launch their own offensive...
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
can you imagine GCA with knights? invincible....
mongoose says:
yes... the possiblities are staggering
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
we did the world a favor
mongoose says:
Have they had this kind of luck in other mp games?
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
i dunno
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
they did win the Civ2 ISDG
mongoose says:
seems like someone from CDG was saying something about it
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
and you know that in Civ2 you can reload endlessly...
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
what i find funny is how lucky they've been not only to us but agaisnt CDG and CFC too...
mongoose says:
yes... they first time CDG asked me to check a save, they were pretty shellshocked about what had happened
Trip says:
what do you expect
Trip says:
GCA had their army off by CFC
Trip says:
they attack, then suddenly their army disappears
Trip says:
the only reason we didn't suffer the same fate is because our buildup was much more massive
mongoose says:
yes..much
Trip says:
we've come close to the point where our main army was broken
mongoose says:
here is the strange thing....
mongoose says:
when I replayed that turn for CDG, Lucky didn't tell me any sequence of events, he didn't even know I was checking it, I just opened the save and played it as it was and got the same result.... Now.. would I have played it that way had it been mine, probably not. There were some strange attacks made. Which leads me to believe that reloading could have been employed, but it's impossible to prove
Trip says:
"strange" attacks?
mongoose says:
spearman on the offensive
Trip says:
against full HP units?
mongoose says:
some
Trip says:
were the attacks done continguously between units? that meaning, did they attack with all Horses, then all Swords, then all Spears?
mongoose says:
not all... and there were not many spearman attacks, but I found it strange
Trip says:
or was it mixed up?
mongoose says:
Spears last when I did it..it's the only way I could replicate what they did
mongoose says:
although I came close without..very close
mongoose says:
It's been a while since then, I don't remember the sequence completely, just that I thought it was curious
Trip says:
how many units were involved?
mongoose says:
I can't remember..I don't even remember how many CDG had
mongoose says:
only a couple spears though
Trip says:
hmm
Trip says:
GCA has an immense number of units, also
Trip says:
all things totaled together... about 35 Pikes and Spears
mongoose says:
currently?
Trip says:
at their max
Trip says:
what they've had the past 10 or so turns
Trip says:
we've killed most of that
mongoose says:
Well, it's also possible (like in the turn I replayed for you) that they lost units after they reduced the hit points of you NM's so that they were not attacking them
Trip says:
they couldn't have lost any units
Trip says:
if they lost a battle to one of our NMs then it would have triggered our GA
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
to the MIs, trip
mongoose says:
when they are attackin MI
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
knock down the mercs until the MI's become the main defenders
Trip says:
they killed 4 NMs and 3 MIs
Trip says:
why would they kill 4 NMs in a row then lose to MIs?
mongoose says:
I don't know..just talking about possibilities
Trip says:
not only that
Trip says:
if our MIs had won they would have been injured
Trip says:
then they would not be the top defender
Trip says:
we had 0 injured MIs
mongoose says:
not neccessarily... it's also concievable that they won with no HP loss
Trip has left the conversation.
mongoose says:
not likely, perhaps, but concievable
mongoose says:
guess he didn't like that line of reasoning
Master Zen - Revolución Compadre! says:
hahaha
Trip has been added to the conversation.
mongoose says:
there ya go
mongoose says:
anyway
mongoose says:
mongoose says:
not likely, perhaps, but concievable
Trip says:
so they would have had to of killed 4 NMs, then lost to 1 or more MIs doing 0 HP damage
mongoose says:
dude, I'm not trying to argue with ya... just throwing out random thoughts
Trip says:
I know
Trip says:
but we've been over the odds time and time again
mongoose says:
I know, and they border on inconcievable
Trip says:
so if they do go to the other continent and do refuse to make peace... then what?
mongoose says:
well, after a number of turn, perhaps 5, I will have to demand that they either surrender or accept peace.... that would happen only if they show no fight... if they are only existing to induce WW
Trip says:
okay
mongoose says:
if they run off to hide, that's the only alternative...if they still have units fighting, I can't do that
Trip says:
ahhh
Trip says:
the Knights are so close I can smell them
Trip says:
we will have Chivalry in 2 turns
Trip says:
and 750 Gold
mongoose says:
oh my..I smell mass upgrades in the wind
Trip says:
indeed
Trip says:
dem's a lotta Knights
mongoose says:
yep, dat is
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BigFree
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Acampo, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:34
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Just happened to be around when GingerBreadMan (CFC President) wanted to chat:
quote:
Session Start: Tue Dec 16 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #ISDGFAMTALKS
[01:03] * BigFree|Away is now known as BigFree
[02:15] * Quits: MasterZen (~raguil@dup-148-221-138-188.prodigy.net.mx) (Quit: )
[02:32] * Joins: GBM (~sthurlow@203-219-2-30-nsw.tpgi.com.au)
[02:32] GBM= here
[02:32] BigFree= greetings
[02:32] BigFree= just a littel prelin first
[02:32] BigFree= *prelim
[02:32] GBM= ok
[02:32] BigFree= How can you prove your with CFC?
[02:33] GBM= brb
[02:33] BigFree= k
[02:33] GBM= CFC:
[02:33] GBM= Could you please send Monotheism to us "accepted" this turn? Thank you.
[02:33] GBM= Mongoose:
[02:33] GBM= As I'm sure you've heard from various sources, GWT has gifted a city to GCA.
[02:33] GBM= Many at Apolyton predict that they will jump over to that continent and
[02:33] GBM= stay at war with Apolyton and CFC forever to prevent us from being able to
[02:33] GBM= use Republic or Democracy (due to war weariness). Perhaps you could have a
[02:33] GBM= ruling ready on this subject should they not make peace after we drive them
[02:33] GBM= off of this continent?
[02:33] BigFree= HAHA
[02:33] BigFree= ok, your it
[02:33] GBM= lol
[02:33] BigFree= whats up
[02:33] GBM= I havent quite looked at the save yet
[02:34] GBM= however...
[02:34] GBM= two issues. 1)What is the deal with GWT and GCA? What shall we do?
[02:34] GBM= with their... exile
[02:35] BigFree= We are still dicussing that
[02:35] GBM= as are we
[02:35] GBM= 2) we REALLY need to discuss land agreements, and now
[02:35] BigFree= We may do something like tell GWT if the are "friends" with GCA, then they must be our enemy and that we will side with CGN
[02:36] GBM= I will consider that option
[02:36] BigFree= But, that is just one idea out of many
[02:36] GBM= yeah
[02:36] BigFree= as far as land agreements, I'm not sure
[02:36] GBM= I may send a few truths to GWT about GCA's betrayal
[02:36] GBM= We need to settle the BoP and the new city issue
[02:37] BigFree= I was a Consul up till a few days ago, but I gave up on my post after 6 months there...kind of tireing
[02:37] GBM= you must have after 6 months
[02:37] GBM= My term has been shortened to 25 turns
[02:37] BigFree= with your blessings?
[02:38] GBM= well, I'd rather have had 40
[02:39] BigFree= What was it about BoP that you wanted to ask though? SO I can pass it on?
[02:40] GBM= Either way, we have to sort out the deal of land sharing, before we start enroaching on each other's land
[02:40] BigFree= Oh, well Im sure we have no plans of anythin West of wheere BoP was.
[02:41] GBM= some people this way feel nervous about the city, but we still trust that any issues can be sorted
[02:41] GBM= that is reassuring
[02:41] BigFree= I think we wont cross over any units to persue GCA unless you give permission as well
[02:42] GBM= I dont see the problem with you coming over to destroy our common enemy, just as long as the units go back once they are finished
[02:42] BigFree= right, but its nice to ask for permission
[02:42] GBM= and they dont walk on our territory, of course
[02:42] BigFree= of course
[02:43] BigFree= we truly do respoect CFC
[02:43] GBM= of course
[02:43] BigFree= We know how beneficial we can be to one another
[02:43] GBM= yes, very
[02:43] GBM= with two countries, twice as much can be done
[02:44] BigFree= All of our FAM guys are away or asleep.
[02:44] GBM= sadly
[02:44] GBM= I could hang around here for a while more
[02:44] BigFree= ok, feel free to come here at anytime
[02:44] GBM= sure
[02:44] BigFree= we hang here just in case
[02:45] BigFree= [02:15] * Quits: MasterZen (~raguil@dup-148-221-138-188.prodigy.net.mx) (Quit: )
[02:45] BigFree= [02:32] * Joins: GBM (~sthurlow@203-219-2-30-nsw.tpgi.com.au)
[02:45] BigFree= thats was our FAM
[02:45] BigFree= he quit about 15 mins before you came
[02:45] GBM= ok
[02:46] GBM= well, we should figure out our plans beyond the removal of GCA
[02:46] BigFree= But, resta ssured, that APolyton has no intentions of anythin even remotely hostile towards CFC
[02:46] GBM= does Apolyton have anything in mind?
[02:46] GBM= of course, and the same returned
[02:46] BigFree= It depends on how long GCA remains in GWT terr
[02:46] BigFree= and how long they stay at war with us
[02:47] BigFree= Btu, i did read something about asking you guys to basically back us with gold for research
[02:47] BigFree= We do the resaerch, and we shre it with you
[02:47] GBM= well, if CGN, you and us are all against GWT and feeble GCA
[02:47] GBM= nice idea, though I'm not sure of the implementation
[02:48] BigFree= Right, it may be some sort of gpt deal
[02:48] GBM= Cheetah is coming...
[02:48] * Joins: Cheetah (~cheetah@213.239.123.21)
[02:48] BigFree= I mean it would be nice if you could pay 50% of the costs for research, but we understand your economy isn't up to that level as of yte due to your wars with GCA Earlier.
[02:48] GBM= well what dou you know?
[02:49] BigFree=
[02:49] GBM= hi cheetah
[02:49] Cheetah= asking me? :]
[02:49] Cheetah= hi
[02:50] BigFree= SInce the tech tree is very limited during this age we thought it would be better to just go twice as fast on one path rather than diverge on two paths. One of which CGN will no doubt be on.
[02:50] GBM= yes
[02:50] BigFree= That waqy no tech is researched by two Civs, at least not CGN, CFC or APO
[02:50] Cheetah= that sounds like the best option yes
[02:50] GBM= well, if one of us (or both) presents a structured plan, it may be considered
[02:50] BigFree= I think we are working on it now
[02:51] BigFree= That and a full blown alliance/treaty/nap/kitchensink thingy!
[02:51] Cheetah= a kitchensink as well
[02:52] BigFree= well, it may have some dirty dishes in it...
[02:52] BigFree= MZ is not know for his superior cleanliness
[02:52] Cheetah= didn't know we had sanitation yet though. care to gift it to us?
[02:52] Cheetah= hehe k
[02:52] BigFree= HAHA
[02:53] BigFree= I think with Warrior Code your units learn the ability to do "KP"
[02:53] GBM= We were talking about a permanent alliance, also
[02:53] Cheetah= hehe
[02:53] BigFree= cool
[02:53] GBM= KP?
[02:53] BigFree= KP= Military term for "doing the dishes"
[02:53] GBM= oh
[02:54] GBM= hehe
[02:54] BigFree= which really sucks
[02:54] BigFree= I was in Navy for 8 years, I had my shot at it.
[02:54] GBM= well, not a very militaristic job...
[02:54] GBM= ouch... If pain can be assosiated with that
[02:54] BigFree= HAHA
[02:55] GBM= Either way, we need to seek the purpose, and the foundations for our permanent alliance
[02:56] GBM= Our mission - to have one of us win the game, and never turn on each other
[02:57] Cheetah= yup
[02:57] GBM= How - two independent nations who work on the same tasks, to get the job done twice as efficiently
[02:58] GBM= If one struggles, the other keeps them alive
[02:58] BigFree= sounds good
[02:58] GBM= if one prospers, they share the spoils
[02:58] BigFree= sounds really good
[02:58] Cheetah= yes
[02:59] BigFree= Jeez, its 3 am for me now
[02:59] BigFree= I have to get to bed
[02:59] GBM= 10pm for me
[02:59] Cheetah= hehe k
[02:59] BigFree= I will post this chat for my team though
[02:59] Cheetah= its 12:00 for me
[02:59] GBM= well, bye anyway
[02:59] BigFree= thanks for the chat
[02:59] GBM= BTW, this was NOT an official chat
[02:59] Cheetah= cya
[03:00] BigFree= ok, no prob
[03:00] GBM= just a quick talk
[03:00] BigFree= right
[03:00] BigFree= since I have no offical post anyways
[03:00] BigFree=
[03:00] GBM= thanks
[03:00] BigFree= actually, Im about that!
[03:00] * GBM feels sorry for BIGfree
[03:00] BigFree= HAHA
[03:00] Cheetah= hehe
[03:00] BigFree= nah
[03:00] * GBM takes it back
[03:00] BigFree= 6 months was too long
[03:00] Cheetah= lots of power and no responsibilities? :P
[03:01] BigFree= thats better
[03:01] Cheetah= anyways
[03:01] BigFree= sounds like being rich
[03:01] Cheetah= i gotta go to
[03:01] GBM= 6 months of straight leadership, thats a real killer
[03:01] GBM= bye Cheetah
[03:01] * BigFree is now known as BigFree|Away
[03:01] Cheetah= have to decorate the schools christmas tree :P
[03:01] GBM= sounds... fun
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