21-04-2004 21:25									#241
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Good suggestion - a detailed breakup of their happiness reasons isn't that important at all times...

As in my 800x600 tabbed design.

	21-04-2004 21:29									#242
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quote: Originally posted by OnePresent ...moving the mouse (and eye) from one corner to the next...

That's a big concern of mine...

	21-04-2004 21:37									#243
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quote: As in my 800x600 tabbed design.

Indeed

quote: That's a big concern of mine...

On 1024, not a concern, IMO. Well, I don't need to move my eye much as I concentrate on the screen as a whole, as for mouse, I'm very well used to it.

	21-04-2004 21:57									#244
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quote: Originally posted by Solver On 1024, not a concern, IMO. Well, I don't need to move my eye much as I concentrate on the screen as a whole, as for mouse, I'm very well used to it.

On a high res, judging by similar things in other situations, I think I would find it difficult (or at least annoying) to tweak specialist numbers and see the effects, since they are in two other corners of the screen, away from the buttons.

	21-04-2004 22:15									#245
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Ah yes, but I think that the display of city parameters in the corner should be removed, and those should stay right together with the specialist buttons, except maybe for the happiness bar.

	22-04-2004 01:36									#246
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Maybe there should be another sprite request thread (if there ever was one), with the scripting in PSP8 i think its quite possible to convert a civ3 FLC in under a month now.

i knoow this reply is late. I know here is the issue of civ3 not matching to Ctp2 size. But, there is enough civ3 stuff that can replace ctp2 stuff now, and the future ctp2 units dont necesarily have to be the same size since its the future.

Locutus, maybe this discussion should be moved to yet another civ3 graphics thread in the creation forum? I have a rough start on making city sprites from civ3 and of course I'm still plugging on my snOOpy terrain from civ3.

	22-04-2004 01:39									#247
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quote: Originally posted by The Big Mc we need new civ diplomacy parchments Also at the moment I am working on underwater and some new units.

Still catching up. BigMC if you look at the civfanatics graphics stuff. There are a lot fan made flags for leaders. We could cherry pick those. could even apply the psp7.0 parchment effect

	22-04-2004 01:49									#248
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quote: Originally posted by E Locutus, maybe this discussion should be moved to yet another civ3 graphics thread in the creation forum? I have a rough start on making city sprites from civ3 and of course I'm still plugging on my snOOpy terrain from civ3.

You want me to move this thread over a stray off-topic comment that was made 3 days ago? In spite of the hundreds of on-topic posts of great value? I think not...

If you want to discuss Civ3 unit conversion, there's a bunch of different threads for that in the CtP2 Creation forum that you can reuse perfectly fine, or you could even start yet another new one. If there was a huge discussion on the topic going on here I might consider moving it, but a stray comment or two don't warrant this, especially not in light of the rest of the thread.

	22-04-2004 02:42									#249
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Again I strongly advise against the source code project being in any way associated with the illegal use of copyrighted/trademarked material from other games!

Granted people make mods for one game using the graphics from another all of the time, but the source code project is in another league altogether.

A person can drive around the barriers of a level-crossing without getting hit by the oncoming train, but it is still a stupid thing to do. We are at the level-crossing, the barriers are down, but there is no train in sight. I say turn around and take a different road; this is not the only route to get where we are going.
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	22-04-2004 02:48									#250
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Another stab at an 800x600 window. In a sense this draws on most of the ideas presented to date...

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	22-04-2004 02:49									#251
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You know, civ3: play the world shipped with some scenarios where images were directly taken from vanilla CtP2, yes they were user made mods, but they were part of a commercial product. I dont know where we stand, but it cant be any worse than that, for a start we're not selling it.

	22-04-2004 03:08									#252
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quote: Originally posted by OnePresent My concern with this ... is we have as many buttons to press here as with the current game, no advantage gained on that front.

quote: Originally posted by OnePresent I dream of a clean, usuable, logical, nice looking interface. With the city screen functions scattered to the 4 corners of the screen I think that falls short on all accounts. If you have a large resolution screen why not group all these functions into 1 corner. Then everything is at your fingertips. No moving the mouse (and eye) from one corner to the next. How about one complete panel comes up from say the bottom left corner, and it centers the city on the map in the background as it opens.

What are we trying to achieve with redesigning the city manager window? I ask that question seriously. If we itemize and prioritize our goals and constraints, it might be easier to come up with the prototype city manager window which we can playtest.

	22-04-2004 03:59									#253
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What is the problem with OnePresent's design posted in the 18th page of this thread? The informations are clearly displayed and all the important ones (to the exception of the Number of turns before city growth ) seem to be present. The map window is large enough and if it is zoomed out a bit it allows for an easy identification of the studied city and a wealth of useful informations.

	22-04-2004 04:19									#254
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin What is the problem with OnePresent's design posted in the 18th page of this thread?

That's the Holy Grail we're seeking. It is done on a screen with very high resolution. Unfortunately we need something that works at 800*600.

BTW, I believe Hex is the artist for that screen.

	22-04-2004 04:41									#255
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Isn't it possible to design two city screens, one for a 800x600 resolution and one for those that are using a higher resolution?

	22-04-2004 05:15									#256
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It has been discussed earlier in the thread.

Making these types of decisions online is a challange.

	22-04-2004 05:49									#257
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May be a poll would be appropriate...

	22-04-2004 16:02									#258
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I'm kind of in favour of aiming for 1024x768 if it comes down to a choice, only because even on my pc(a very old crap one ) i can run the game in that resolution. So i cant imagine anyone having the 800x600 restrictions.
If say this was chosen would it be possible to stop people chosing 800x600?
Did we have a discusion on which resolution to aim for - i might have missed it ?

	22-04-2004 16:19									#259
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This has been on and off all the time. Even on my (bit newer than your CoT) I run 1024*768.

So at least for me, we shall be able to say, let's get rid off low-resolution.

	22-04-2004 16:30									#260
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maybe the poll should be for this? that way atleast we will know what we can achieve on the screen design(UI) issues.
I can only think that people with less than a P90, with less than 48mb, with no graphics card would find running in 1024x768 a problem. Are there any of those left?

	22-04-2004 16:32									#261
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I am running the game in 1024x768...

	22-04-2004 16:35									#262
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor maybe the poll should be for this? that way atleast we will know what we can achieve on the screen design(UI) issues. I can only think that people with less than a P90, with less than 48mb, with no graphics card would find running in 1024x768 a problem. Are there any of those left?

I like this one

	22-04-2004 16:37									#263
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There was a huge outrage when it turned out Civ3 didn't support 800x600 (and a slightly smaller one when this happned for RoN). Apparently there are a lot of people who like 800x600 better than 1024x768. The reason for this is a total mystery to me, but if people want to have it and it doesn't have significant downsides, I think continuing 800x600 support would be preferable.

The UI should be designed such that it works on all resolutions anyway (or have different versions for different resolutions): why would people with 1600x1200 or 2048x1536 resolutions have to suffer from the fact that there are still a lot of people who have hopeless out-of-date 1024x768 screens?

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	22-04-2004 16:44									#264
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To get this threat not too poluted I opened up this thread

Might be also a good way for gathering a bit more information.

	22-04-2004 16:45									#265
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quote: The UI should be designed such that it works on all resolutions anyway (or have different versions for different resolutions): why would people with 1600x1200 or 2048x1536 resolutions have to suffer from the fact that there are still a lot of people who have hopeless out-of-date 1024x768 screens?

Unless we can make it, that it would automatic resize, it will be a major headache as every GUI would need to be programmed different. And as you can change resolution ingame, this might NOT be possible.

	22-04-2004 16:49									#266
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My solution of using panels that can be en/disabled would go a long way.

Also, it should be quite easy to define different sizes for listboxes and the like for all common resolutions, without affecting the rest of the UI.

	22-04-2004 16:52									#267
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus My solution of using panels that can be en/disabled would go a long way. Also, it should be quite easy to define different sizes for listboxes and the like for all common resolutions, without affecting the rest of the UI.

Just wanted to warn people that this stuff also has some programming limits.

And yes, your idea is fairly resolution independent.

	22-04-2004 17:30									#268
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Now I don't know what thread to post on.

One suggestion is to keep the current city manager screen as is for the lower resolution(s). (Though I would LOVE having a center city on screen button.) Then put our efforts into making Hex's vision of a city screen come true.

	22-04-2004 17:32									#269
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I was also thinking about this solution but as I am not a programmer I didn't know if it was possible at all...

	22-04-2004 21:29									#270
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