15-12-2002 01:02									#121
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I agree that we need to continue researching Ironworking - just for the possibility of having iron deposit(s) show up on our island.

	15-12-2002 01:21									#122
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I agree that we should go for 18/3 now. Which means that the second citizen should keep working on the cow tile.

	15-12-2002 01:53									#123
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Diss and Jon - any views? The points up for discussion are 1. switching to 18/3, and 2. sticking with iron working.

	15-12-2002 02:19									#124
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stick with iron working

18/3??

Jon Miller

	15-12-2002 02:21									#125
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hmm, turns I see

18 would be good

Jon Miller

	15-12-2002 09:31									#126
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And I gather the third warrior will stay in the city to keep the peace when it grow to size 3.

	15-12-2002 09:35									#127
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In the chat room tonight there was talk about Vox accidentally sending out a save without the password on. One dated 3600BC. Eli or Diss - any ideas?

Didn't look like it was any big deal. I get the sense that everyone is trying to live by the spitit and intent of the game - which is good. Wouldn't be much fun otherwise.

And please look at the proposed FA intro in the Foreign Affairs thread. I would like to get it out on Sunday to the others, along with a response to RP (Spain). Note that I put up a poll to decide how we respond.

	15-12-2002 09:47									#128
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Where should we put our next city? I vote for the other side of the lake as #2 - Miller Town, .... and then the site to the west as #3????

That one I am not sure about. Does it gain us much to have our influence extend across the straight. It might help - in that city #3 will be close to our capital, and if another civ does build out there - it could be relatively far away from their capitol- which means - we could conceivably get a culture switch. I know its a long shot - but I've seen it happen enough times in the game, and water doesn't seem to matter.

(City #3 - Elipolis??? - jon - were you going to determine order based on the order of joining?)

It's late and time for bed.

	15-12-2002 11:17									#129
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joining order is good for me

Jon Miller

	15-12-2002 12:01									#130
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3450BCE played. City is still working on the cows to get the settler quicker, but I forgot to change production from Warrior to Settler, someone should change it next turn.

Screenshot sent to everyone.

	15-12-2002 12:47									#131
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The screenshot does offer some good news. It looks like the island continues. It might not be an island after all . There is another forest beyond the one we saw before.

As for the city sites I agree with the format that Eli drew up and sent out.

And yeah 18/3 sounds nice to me. We'll keep our city workers as is. And if I play tomorrow morning I'll switch to settler.

And yes we should stick with Iron Working. I think switching loses all research progress (at least it does with me it seems). Like we said it is important to find out if there is any iron on our island/peninsula.

	15-12-2002 18:31									#132
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It seems that there is grassland after that forest...

	15-12-2002 20:13									#133
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Willy needs binoculars .....

	15-12-2002 20:26									#134
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Maybe not grassland, but definetely something green. Hills maybe.

	15-12-2002 20:50									#135
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Looks like forest. I also wonder if it is a narrow isthmus to another landmass - in which case, suggest:

1. if it is only one tile wide, and it looks like it is , that we park Tim or Willy there to keep others out

and

2. we may need to rethink about switching from 18/3 back to 21/5

and

3. the faster we can get a road cut across our land from the city to the isthmus - the better.

Now - if it is simply the end of the island - pitch this post into the garbage can.

But I for one have my fingers crossed - which is why I type so slowly ...

	15-12-2002 23:06									#136
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I've also noticed - if you look closely, the smallish island to the west - just on the border of the "fog-of-war," you can just make out a piece of a luxury...I'm thinking it might be ivory.

	15-12-2002 23:14									#137
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Witt - You either have very good eyes or a vivid imagination. I see what you are refrring to - but what is it. And we won't be able to get there for awhile - 5 techs....

	15-12-2002 23:16									#138
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Use Paint Shop Pro and then you can zoom in on it.

	15-12-2002 23:23									#139
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Ah - technology...

(hey - I'm getting there. I got my IRC problems sorted out )

	16-12-2002 00:04									#140
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Wittlich :

Yeah, I see it. I see the big white thingie the Elephant has(whatever it's called ) so it's probably Ivory, as you said.

	16-12-2002 00:55									#141
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Eli - they're called tusks.

	16-12-2002 00:58									#142
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we are going for mapmaking next, right?

Jon Miller

	16-12-2002 01:14									#143
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound Eli - they're called tusks.

Big white thingie is much easier to understand.

	16-12-2002 02:45									#144
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jon - yes - but if you see above - after iron working - four techs to go to get there. I'm sure others will get there first. Then its a matter of what will they trade us for iron working - or if we really want to trade it.

	16-12-2002 10:08									#145
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...or if we find other civs at all.

	16-12-2002 19:28									#146
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.... or if they find us, which is more likely when three of the civs have a two tech start on us to map making.

	16-12-2002 19:30									#147
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I was thinking last night - I know scary, isn't it -

I've started about 5 games on Civ3 with archipelago - ie the most chopped up landmass possible - and not once did I start on an island.

Time will tell. Go Willy, GO!!

	16-12-2002 19:56									#148
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quote: I've started about 5 games on Civ3 with archipelago - ie the most chopped up landmass possible - and not once did I start on an island.

Simply being on a continent is not good enough...
Who knows what the territory after that chokepoint will be?(assuming it's not water)
It can be Jungle, Mountains, more Plains...
Or a fertile grassland... Controlled by Glory of War.

	16-12-2002 21:55									#149
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If it is a chokepoint - then the sooner we control it , and expand into the territory beyond - the better.

Glory of War vs Immortals - I know who my money is on.

(of course - we need to find iron. Fingers crossed once again.....)

	16-12-2002 21:56									#150
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Speaking of Glory of war - see where they capped their team at 15 players. I don't know about you, but a small team like ours seems to work just fine.