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Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:24
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nothing really interesting on the e-mails. Let me check
1st e-mail: Could you guys check your pm's 
(Especially Betahound, as he is your ambassador to us,we have sent the latest one to you and Eli too, rather urgent )
2nd 3-mail: ASAP of course, but if you could just let ManiStarSeed know,
You received the PM's that would do for now .
Sorry to bug this much.
Both from Alain
PM's: hi,
greetz from GS,
this is unofficial (well sort of)
Could you check your pm regularly the next couple of hours/days
(we can't seem to get in contact with your ambassador to us )
thanks,
Alva,
The second PM: Greetings again friend BetaHound and Vox Controli:
We hope your journey has been going well. Your warriors appear well-trained, well-fed and happy (not to mention quiet muscular!), so we can only assume your nation is at least as glorious as ours, if not more. We are therefore pleased to have contacted you at the beginning of this new era. Who knows what the future will hold? Let us become masters of our own fates and discuss our future relationship.
As an act of good faith, we ask that Vox Controli cease southern exploration for the duration of these negotiations; Gathering Storm will do the same in turn for the northern direction.
Gathering Storm has put together several proposals and we would appreciate your open consideration of them. Please feel free to counter-offer where you see fit. Our goal is to negotiate and make deals mutually beneficial. We will seriously consider any additional deal you bring to the table. The following is a list of our proposals:
1. Temporarily cease North/South exploration as described above. This act of good faith would be the basis for any future negotations.
2. Begin discussion of a potential tech-trading parternship between our two teams. Tech trading would effectively double our respective research rates, ensuring a tech advantage on the world scene.
3. Exchange information regarding luxuries each of us has discovered North and South of the isthmus (South for us, North for you). Connecting our empires and trading luxuries promises obvious economic advantages.
4. Simultaneously reveal to each other either: 1) whether or not we have contacted another team, or further 2) precisely which other team(s) we have already contacted. Our future plans depend critically on who our neighbors are, so obtaining this information early should prove useful to both of us.
5. Discuss what to do about the chokepoint/isthmus with regards to unit movement. The isthmus is clear and important landmark, and reaching an understanding as to its use would reduce early tensions between our teams.
We hope to hear from you in the very near future; please contact us before your next turn, or before the turn after that at the very latest. We apologize if requesting such a quick response causes any inconvenience, but time is of the essence.
Sincerely,
ManicStarSeed and Gathering Storm
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Jon Miller
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I think that we should only put pu our second warrior as defense if they do not move their warriors out fo the area
if theye do, I think we should have the warrior who is coming, follow them (I know, this is in the wrong thread sorta, but it reflects in the diploimacy)
I think that the main poin t to their diplomacy is the north south deal
as such, we mcust see what is south (and southeast and southwest)
Jon Miller
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Jon Miller
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maybe just keep our second warrior between them and the isthmus
than that does not tip our hand, but allow us to defend the isthmus with tow warriors if their two get agressive
Jonj Miller
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Jon Miller
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BTW, I have been chatting with LUX
I beleive that they have met Legoland
Jon Miller
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Jon Miller
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I see no problem mentioning a third warrior
as well as the rest of our army
I think that we should go for the bluff approach right ow
Jon Miller
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Beta
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Prowling in a PBEM near you!
Nov 2002
time: 00:24
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sent to GS:
Dear ManicStarSeed.
I trust this letter finds you and your nation in the best of health.
Thank-you for your recent correspondence. Yes, these are exciting times when civilizations first meet. And thank-you as well for your list of proposals. You should be aware that they are under active deliberation as I speak, in order that we may respond with one voice.
We fully appreciate your concerns regarding the need for haste in reaching our conclusions. But these are meaty - er, I did not mean to offend any vegans in your party. Let me rephrase. These are weighty issues for fledgling civilizations such as ours. You have my assurance that we will expedite our deliberations to the greatest extent possible.
Given that our Warriors have met in the great unknown, and you have made Willy's aquaintance, I could not resist the temptation to leaf through the one book, and share with you one of my favorite sectons. It is, appropriately enough, from the Book of Warriors.
Warriors I, Verses 1 to 6.
1. And so it came to be that the people of Vox Controli founded the capitol, "The Voice".
2. And the Voice begat warriors.
3. The Voice begat Willy. The Voice begat Tim. The Voice begat Thadeus.
4. And Willy went out of The Voice, and into the wilderness.
5. And the shadows receded, and light shone upon the land.
6. And the people of Vox Controli cried out in unison and joy.
Thus ends the reading.
Very uplifting, isn't it. I get a tingle everytime I read it. Makes me almost wish that I had taken up a different line of work. Sigh - the life of a bureaucrat - well you understand.
My dear sir, I must make my leave. I wish you well. I will make every endeavour to get back to you very shortly.
Sincerest regards,
BetaHound
Voice of Foreign Affairs
Vox Controli
- I am now working on the formal response to their proposals as per the poll and discussion.
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Beta
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Prowling in a PBEM near you!
Nov 2002
time: 00:24
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Here is the reply that I have cooked up so far. As getting the right tone and message is important, please, please provide feedback. Especially on the areas where I have asked questions. Thanks ... beta
Dear ManicStarSeed - esteemed Foreign Affairs Minister of Gathering Storm.
Greetings again, sir. Our deliberations are finished, and I have been authorized by the One Voice to reply as follows:
1. Regarding the question of further exploration, we feel that at this early stage of our existence, it is important to both our civilizations to learn more about the world around us. We of Vox Controli clearly recognize your right to expand your horizons. We humbly request that you recognize ours.
However, this being said, we clearly recognize your sovereignty over your lands. We promise to fully respect the borders of your civilization, and further promise to commit no acts of aggression in any way, shape, or form.
2. Regarding tech trading, we too have discussed amongst ourselves the wonderful opportunities this presents. We would like to discuss potential deals further. Perhaps if you could put on the table what you are thinking. We both know that Vox Controli has bronze working, that Gathering Storm has ceremonial burial, and that we both have masonry. After that, when it comes to trading, well to quote the One Book, Dissidents 19, verse 8, "The sky's the limit".
3. Regarding luxuries, yes we have them. And we assume that you have them as well. But at present there is no way of trading them between our civilizations. In fact, our workers are still pre-occupied with connecting these luxuries to our cities. Perhaps when trading becomes a distinct possibility we should discuss further.
4. Regarding contact with other civilizations ...
option a
Yes, we have met another civilization. We are currently discussing with them similar issues as you have raised. However, they have asked that we keep their identity, and the nature of our discussions confidential. I'm sure you, as an equally honorable civilization, can understand our position here.
option b
At this time, while explorers from both our nations reveal the mysteries of this new world, we feel it would be premature to engage in discussions of who we may or may not have met. I trust you will understand and respect our position.
5. Regarding the isthmus - well - I have to tell you Manic - we are intrigued. How did you know of its existance?
(I could end this section right there - without directly answering their question. Then next time, I will ask them what they are looking for. We could probably drag this out for a number of turns, but clearly not enough until we have a city there. But we will have a spearman) (or I add..)
That issue aside, I also appreciate what you have said. That the isthmus should be discussed. Tell me, what did you have in mind?
I trust our response finds favor with your leaders and your people. We are committed tp peaceful co-existence on this continent of ours. Speaking of which, and I hope you do not think us too presumptuous, but we have named the landmass Estonia, given its somewhat eastern location. We have named the land north of the isthmus North Estonia, and the land south, South Estonia. I trust this does not offend your historians and scholars.
(anybody got any different ideas. I didn't want to name it after Vox in anyway - would seem too territorial. Not sure either about whether we even mention north or south. It gives credence to the idea that the south is somehow their's. Maybe we just leave it out altogether. Ideas?)
Regards, etc
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Jon Miller
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I like 4a better than 4b for the reasons stated
and I agree with Dissident (maybe there is an isthmus to the south??), we should use that as a statement about the importance of exploration
Jon Miller
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Jon Miller
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if later they mention the troops guarding our land, we can say that we put troops on prospective city sites
Jon Miller
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:24
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Trip of Lux Invicta in the savegame email :
quote:
... btw, send us a letter sometime. We haven't heard from your team in a while. |
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Beta
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Prowling in a PBEM near you!
Nov 2002
time: 00:24
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BTW - here is the final version of the letter sent to MSS of Gathering Storm - as of yet - no response.
Response from Vox Controli
Dear ManicStarSeed - esteemed Foreign Affairs Minister of Gathering Storm.
Greetings again, sir. I am pleased to announce that our deliberations have been completed, and I have been directed by the One Voice to reply as follows:
1. Regarding the question of further exploration, we feel that at this early stage of our existence, it is important to both our civilizations to learn more about the world around us. We of Vox Controli recognize your right to expand your horizons. We humbly request that you recognize ours.
However, this being said, we also clearly recognize your sovereignty over your lands. We promise to fully respect the borders of your civilization, and further promise to commit no acts of aggression in any way, shape, or form.
2. Regarding tech trading, we too have discussed amongst ourselves the wonderful opportunities this presents. We would like to discuss potential deals. Perhaps if you could put on the table what you are thinking. We both know that Vox Controli has bronze working, that Gathering Storm has ceremonial burial, and that we both have masonry. After that, when it comes to trading, well to quote the One Book, Dissidents 19, verse 8, "The sky's the limit".
3. Regarding luxuries, yes we have them. And we assume that you have them as well. But at present there is no way of trading them between our civilizations. In fact, our workers are still pre-occupied with connecting these luxuries to our cities. Perhaps when trading becomes a distinct possibility we should discuss further.
4. Regarding contact with other civilizations, yes, we have met another civilization. We are currently discussing with them similar issues as you have raised. However, they have asked that we keep their identity, and the nature of our discussions confidential. I'm sure that you, as an equally honorable civilization, can understand our position here.
5. Regarding the isthmus - well - I have to tell you Manic - we are genuinely surprised as to how much you know about the world. This reinforces my earlier point, in that we would like to explore the world as well to learn as much about it as your wise adventurers.
That point aside, I also appreciate what you have said. The isthmus should be discussed.
I trust our response will find favor with your leaders and your people. We are committed tp peaceful co-existence on this continent of ours. Speaking of which, and I hope you do not think us too presumptuous, but we have named the landmass Estonia, given its somewhat eastern location. We have named the land north of the isthmus North Estonia, and the land south of it, South Estonia. I trust this does not offend your historians and scholars.
I look forward to further discussions to build upon this foundation of understanding we have created.
With regards and sincerity,
BetaHound
Voice Of Foreign Affairs
Vox Controli
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Beta
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Prowling in a PBEM near you!
Nov 2002
time: 00:24
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Well- we seemd to have certainly stuck a stick into the hornet's nest. Here is GS' response.
Mutual exploration or not?
Greetings BetaHound and Vox Controli,
Since you have been so kind as to share with us passages from the One Book, we would like to share with you a passage from the Book of the Storm, specifically from Wisdom 3:1-3.
“Blessed are they who treat others as they would wish to be treated, for their rewards are respect and trust all the days of their lives.
But cursed are the hypocrites who demand from others that which they will not give themselves,
For the seeds of anger and distrust they sow may flower into the fruit of their destruction.”
Since word came back of Thadeus's blocking the way to North Estonia, questions have arisen among our people concerning whether or not the people of Vox Controli share such a belief. You have made it clear in words that you regard a mutual right of exploration as important, yet at first glance, Thadeus's fortified position seems to contradict those words.
Because of your clear statement, we would like to think that Thadeus is there merely to establish your claim to that piece of land, and that once we agree to respect your claim (which we hereby do), he will be willing to move aside long enough for our explorers to pass through. That way, both your sovereignty over a key strategic location and our right to explore will be respected.
But some are concerned that your words regarding the importance of a right to explore may not have been as sincere as they seemed, and that Thadeus's job may include denying us in practice the very right that you seemed to regard as so important in theory. These suspicions have even spurred some to go so far as to demand a death sentence for any "spies" (to use their word) who approach our lands without permission. Clearly, this situation is not ideal for promoting the kind of peaceful and mutually beneficial relationship that we strongly desire, and we hope that you will soon show us that these people's concern was unwarranted. Grog is eager to continue his exploration unimpeded.
Sincerely,
Nathan Barclay, Chief Economist of Gathering Storm
(ManicStarSeed is out of his office at the moment, and given the importance of a quick resolution to this matter, I've been authorized to send this post on behalf of the team.)
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:24
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Hmph. We must found the third city and do it quickly.
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03-01-2003 08:43
Told him it was a wrong address.
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