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Tarquinius is offline Tarquinius
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Sep 2001
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  Old Post 31-08-2003 01:00
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Thanks for clarifying E_T and Trip, as you might understand it could become a little confusing (even for a quite regular follower like me), that is why I ask it

Togas is offline Togas
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Jun 2002
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  Old Post 01-09-2003 13:32
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Some highlights from my most recent chat with Lucky of GCA:

Lucky was asking "what do we do now?" about the fact that we already have Currency. He seems to be inviting options.

Lucky knows he is behind "by 2 techs" and still doesn't know about Feudalism, but he knows CFC is ahead of them in tech.

He thinks another team may have met CFC

The majority of GCA wants to destroy CFC

GCA received a CFC offer for ceasefire which they believe to be a stalling tactic. They made a peace offer but he wouldn't disclose it to me

--Togas

Theseus is offline Theseus

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Apr 2002
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  Old Post 01-09-2003 22:00
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FYI, re Lucky:

http://www.gamecatcher.net/fora/pro...iewprofile&u=41

WhiteBandit is offline WhiteBandit
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Jul 2002
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Alright, draft letter to send to GCA on the turn we declare war. Heavily based on what Togas wrote earlier in this thread. Comments please?

quote:

To Lucky and the people of the Gamecatcher Alliance,

The people of Apolyton, lead by our esteemed Consuls, have made a momentous decision in the history of our civilization. As of this turn, we at Apolyton have moved military units onto your side of our border. By definition, this is considered a formal declaration of war, rendering all treaties between us void.

We fully recognize the ruthless efficiency with which GCA is able to carry out war on its enemies. This is a great turning point in the history of our continent and we are excited at the challenge you will present on the battlefield.

We are not interested in negotiations or debates about the war at this time. We may consider a peaceful resolution to this conflict at a later date.

Regards,

WhiteBandit
Apolyton Foreign Affairs Ministry

Last edited by WhiteBandit on 13-09-2003 at 04:02

BigFree is offline BigFree

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Oct 1999
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  Old Post 13-09-2003 04:00
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I love it!


We will accept peace if they gift every city except one. They may keep Dancing Girl.

Togas is offline Togas
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Jun 2002
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  Old Post 13-09-2003 05:50
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Excellent letter, WB

--Togas

Beta is offline Beta

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WB. It is a thing of beauty. And doesn't leave much room for interpretation.

Rhothaerill is offline Rhothaerill

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Feb 2003
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  Old Post 13-09-2003 07:05
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WB, the only thing I'd change is a spelling error. "lead" is actually "led" in this case.

E_T is offline E_T
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Mar 2001
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  Old Post 22-12-2003 03:35
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We have a Diplomatic Message from GCA in the FA: Correspondances thread. The last 2 turns, they have sent an Unexcepted Peace offer, without any other Correspondances. We have sent it back accepted, but they appear to want a formal Offer.

Because they won't be killed for a while, atleast by us, it appears that we will need this thread bumped up.

E_T

civman2000 is offline civman2000
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Jun 2001
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  Old Post 22-12-2003 03:54
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Now what do they have to gain from not just accepting peace? The only way they could possibly hope to get us to give them something for peace is if they're planning perpetual war....

E_T is offline E_T
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  Old Post 22-12-2003 04:20
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the funny thing is, they are stating that we are "abusing" the diplo screen. It was them that is doing that, not us...

E_T

Master Zen is offline Master Zen
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Jan 2003
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Honestly this pisses me off, THEY'RE the ones who should be sending us an official message.

I'll send lucky an ICQ message once I install ICQ on my aunt's computer

wervdon is offline wervdon
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Nov 2001
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  Old Post 23-12-2003 03:26
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If we can get them to accept peace, even if only for a few turns, then I think we should do it to squash war weariness.

So rather than call them on sending us the offer first, I think we should just make them the formal offer they seem to want. They'll probally just laugh in our face and turn it down, but its worth a try.

Btw what are the formal rules on WW in Multi-player. In particular:
1) How many full turns of peace do we need to reduce it to 0? Is 1 enough?
2) If they/us re-declare war, we start over from 0 WW correct?
3) If they re-declare war and no fighting occurs, does WW increase? Is it based on who declares war? Who attacks first? Whose territory the combats occur in?


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I personally think GCA is just jerking us around with the offered peace then weird/stupid letter accusing us of doing it, and that they fully intend to stay at perpetual war with us to harm our chances of winning. The quickest way to find out their long term intentions though is to try to negotiate peace.

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BigFree is offline BigFree

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Oct 1999
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  Old Post 23-12-2003 09:31
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We need to send an offical offer of peace to GCA. Anyone against this at all?

Master Zen is offline Master Zen
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Nope.

Togas is offline Togas
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  Old Post 24-12-2003 08:21
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draft of "official" peace proposal to GCA:

Apolyton and GCA hereby agree to end all hostilities between our nations.

A state of peace is agreed upon.

Signed by:

Apolyton

Gamecatchers

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Oct 1999
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  Old Post 24-12-2003 08:25
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Sounds fine to me.

Trip is offline Trip
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Apr 2002
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Send it.

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  Old Post 24-12-2003 11:40
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Yep. Be prepared to actually talk to them though.

Togas is offline Togas
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  Old Post 24-12-2003 11:45
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btw, who should I say is "signing" this treaty for Apolyton?

--Togas

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  Old Post 24-12-2003 11:52
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For peace? All of us!

I doubt that will be accepted though.

Master Zen is offline Master Zen
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quote:
Originally posted by Togas
btw, who should I say is "signing" this treaty for Apolyton?

--Togas


panag.

Togas is offline Togas
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Jun 2002
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  Old Post 24-12-2003 15:28
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I emailed this to GCteam@gamecatcher.net

quote:

We offer the following formal Peace Declaration. Please sign and return it to us. If you would like to discuss this, please meet with us in chat.


Apolyton and GCA hereby agree to end all hostilities between our nations.

A state of peace is agreed upon. The war is over.

Signed by:

Apolyton:
NotYouEither, Consul
Trip, Consul
Arnelos, Consul
Togas, Minister of Foreign Affairs

Gamecatchers:

E_T is offline E_T
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Mar 2001
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  Old Post 28-12-2003 23:00
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Posted a chat with Mongoose about GCA in teh correspondences thread (Talk with Mongoose about GCA peace and with GBM of CFC about treaty ). He talked to Lucky about the War Weariness situation. Here is the pertenent part:

quote:

[20:38] mongoose201> Lucky says:
[20:38] mongoose201> as of now, we will NOT accept a peace treaty from apolyton unless they negotiate with us (which in effect requires certain reparations)
[20:38] mongoose201> Lucky says:
[20:38] mongoose201> furthermore
[20:38] mongoose201> Lucky says:
[20:39] mongoose201> unless a full team vote officially declares upkeeping WW illegal, and that for all times in this game, we will not accept the ruling
[20:39] mongoose201> Lucky says:
[20:39] mongoose201> you are the game admin, but sorry, you are not the game
[20:39] mongoose201> Lucky says:
[20:39] mongoose201> the teams are the game
[20:39] mongoose201> Lucky says:
[20:39] mongoose201> and hence, the teams ultimately decide about the game as well
[20:39] mongoose201> Lucky says:
[20:39] mongoose201> this is nothing personal, but if you once again refer to the other ISDG in spe, youŽll see that the positions and abilities a game admin should have are under intense discussion there as well
[20:39] mongoose201> Lucky says:
[20:39] mongoose201> newfound exploits, bugs, illegal moves from a team and following punishment, yes that should be for the admin to decide
[20:39] mongoose201> mongoose says:
[20:39] mongoose201> I understand your position, and I would feel the same way in your case. I understand that I am not the game.... I have tried to stay as far out of the way as I could possibly do, as a matter of fact. And I am aware that these things are being discussed in greater detail in the other ISDG's...but, while you are referring me to the other ISDGs
[20:39] mongoose201> mongoose says:
[20:39] mongoose201> oops
[20:39] mongoose201> mongoose says:
[20:39] mongoose201> the other ISDG's (correctly), I will refer you to the Pledge at the beginning of this game...that's what we have..I wish we had done more
[20:40] mongoose201> I don't know why he is asking for a team vote.. they would lose 3 to 2
[20:41] Trip> you could always tell him that
[20:41] E_T> stalling for time, maybe
[20:42] E_T> one more turn of WW


It would seem that GCA doesn;t want any peace with us at all. and it will come down to a vote at 1BC that they won't win.

This game might fall apart soon....

E_T

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ZargonX is offline ZargonX
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  Old Post 28-12-2003 23:52
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This game is starting to appear to be full of jerks And what was the deal with GWT renaming the saves so Mongoose would have trouble loading them? Did I read that wrong? What the (&(%^ is up with these people!?!

E_T is offline E_T
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  Old Post 29-12-2003 01:32
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No, you didn't read that wrong. But it might be something that their e-mail program does. There's no telling.

I know, from some of the saves I've had to have forwarded to me, that they have to be renamed in various fashions, for them to be properly attached to the e-mail.

This might just be that case.

E_T

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  Old Post 29-12-2003 01:37
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As I was saying in the chat room, maybe we should find out about these "reparations" that GCA is talking about - as doesn't reparations usually are sent from the defeated (GCA) to the victors (us and CFC)?

Yeah, I know - GCA probably wants compensation FROM us for peace - but we might want to know how ridiculous GCA's behaviour is going to get - if they act like jerks in this game - they will likely act the same in other ISDG games

Besides we can always agree to compensate them for any territory that we conquered from them (in this case none as they abandoned all of their cities of course )

E_T is offline E_T
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hehe, yep

[diplomatic voice]
Apolyton promices to Pay Reparations of 1000 Gold and 1 Technology Advancement, for every city that they had captured from GCA.
[/voice]

That would go over well....

E_T

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Don't the eliminated teams get a vote in this?

E_T is offline E_T
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Why, they are no longer in the game. There are only 5 teams left and a lot of the people from the other teams are now on the survivores teams.

E_T

 
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