11-05-2004 09:05									#241
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(From Cake of Death?)

quote: Hi Octavian X, We are now researching Invention at deficit (8 turns). We'll be needing some cash from you guys for Engineering soon. How does 1/3 cost of Engineering sound to Python? I don't know where our list of tech prices has gone, so don't have a number available - do you know what the price is? Cheerz, -Cort

	11-05-2004 13:58									#242
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(Form Latin Lovers)

quote: PTWDG2: feudalism Greetings! Has been a long time since we last spoke with your civ. Congratulations for the consolidatium of your growing empire. Do you have Feudalism? we are interested on purchase it. If you want/could, our treasury is 232gold and payment per turn is possible. Just say a (interesting) number :-) We are also open on a stable future tech cooperation. If you have some plan.... Niessuh, Latin Lovers

Any proposals for a reply?

	12-05-2004 08:28									#243
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I was just going to tell them we're thinking about it, and consult CoD about the proper course of action.

	12-05-2004 09:51									#244
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Care to draft a response, Darekill?

Sent to CoD:

quote: Cort Haus, According to the editor, engineering was 36. Don't know what that is after devaluation. We'd pay, according to your plan, gold worth 10 points. What's a good gold rate for that? 10g/point? We have about 900g now, and just finished the last rush we have planned for a while. One more thing - got this message from LL. What do you guys think? quote: PTWDG2: feudalism Greetings! Has been a long time since we last spoke with your civ. Congratulations for the consolidatium of your growing empire. Do you have Feudalism? we are interested on purchase it. If you want/could, our treasury is 232gold and payment per turn is possible. Just say a (interesting) number :-) We are also open on a stable future tech cooperation. If you have some plan.... Niessuh, Latin Lovers ~Octavian X

	12-05-2004 10:08									#245
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Proposed Response.

Hail to the Latin Lovers.
It's good to hear from you again. As I understand it, you are interested in the secrets of feudalism. The funny thing about that is, I can't tell you the secret right away since I never realy understood the concept. My slaves tried to explain it to me, my most honored liege the most noble Octavian X tried to tell me about it but I have forgotten.
So please allow your humble servant Darekill to go to the library in the Castle Camelot and research a bit.
After I finaly found out what this feudalism is and what it is worth to us I may be able to teach you about it.
My serfs will work my land in the meantime as good as they can I'm sure.
So please be patient.
Yours truly and humble servant
Darekill Count of Whatever and Envoy to the Latin Lovers.

	12-05-2004 10:50									#246
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I'm confused do we have it or not?

	12-05-2004 13:07									#247
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Confusion is quite my goal.
LL does not necessarily have to know that we do not have it.
We do not have it. That's why I put in the library part

	13-05-2004 11:43									#248
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I'm sending the message at 12:41 Apollyton time if there are no further objections or comments.

	14-05-2004 07:27									#249
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Looks good. So long as they understand we're thinking about it, it's fine.

	16-05-2004 11:16									#250
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Got this from Monkey a few days ago. Should we reject outright?

quote: Dear Citizens of Monty Python, We have noticed of late that your shrubberies no longer appear to be as abundant in Monkey Territory. Come on guys lets face it, the war is not going well for you. Lets stop this nonsense and go after the real problem: CoD. Like I said to OCT_X when this thing first started the "Good stuff is in the middle Buckwheat" Just take a look, their REX is all but complete, but we are still both strong to CoD. They are ripe for the picking. If anyone is going to "win this war" it is going to be CoD, not you or Monkey. If you guys agree to stop hostilities, we are still willing to pledge fealty and help you get the land you need in the middle, what we both should have been doing all along. Think about this, and please consider it seriously. Conmcb25 Monkey Ambassador to Monty Python

	16-05-2004 12:13									#251
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Ahhh, the plea for sanity. Unless there's been a drastic downturn that I missed (and I did see your screenshot with Monkey's stack), the war is going a lot worse for them than it is for us. I'm for outright rejection.

	16-05-2004 22:51									#252
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Just reject it. I can't see why we should fall our allys in the back...

	17-05-2004 10:01									#253
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justa thought: this isn't some ploy to bring in some other team would it? some sort of test maybe? Still got the feeling they thing it was COD's idea hehehe.

edit : I just read octavians post , they might not be kiding.

	18-05-2004 03:43									#254
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I don't think they are, but do wonder if they're much thinner than they let on. If they really thought they had us on the ropes, why the groveling offer? The AI is notorious for throwing all it has at you, then being easy pickings once the initial storm has been weathered. While I won't denigrate the members of Monkey by comparing them to AI, I wonder if our presence on their lands might not have gotten just that response, due to a bit of panic. Depending on what it cost them to inflict this massacre, we may be in a better position than is first apparent.

	19-05-2004 07:38									#255
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Yes, I think a nice, simple 'no' is the best answer. We still must honor our commitment to our CoD partners.

	19-05-2004 07:39									#256
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From Cort Haus, CoD.

quote: Hi Octavian, We have the turn. We could position out 10 horses at Gorilla88 this turn if it will help. The furry fiends will have to divert from Orangutan. We'd risk getting clobbered, but they'd be risking exposing themselves. From Gorilla88, Gorilla77 could be reached the following turn, threatening Macaque too. Or we hold the horses and wait for the slowmovers to defend them, maybe using the boats to either drop the spears off with the horses or attack the island. I suspect it would be better to stick to the main front. What say ye, Knights who in the near future may be saying "ekkie ekkie ekkie F'Taang!"? Also, did you see Arrian's message on the tech score? Some cash to help Invention arrive in SEVEN turns would be nice Cheerz -Cort

	19-05-2004 07:49									#257
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In response:

quote: Cort Haus, I'm not sure if you guys noticed, but we underwent a massacre at Orangutan87. 9 swords and 3 spears were killed by Numbidian Mercs, most of whom sustained some considerable damange as well. For the moment, we are retreating into Siege Perilous, at least until our reinforcements (currently crossing through CoD's lands) arrive. I'd recommend that CoD forces stay back as well, to avoid damage. I don't remember any message from Arrian asking for gold for invention, though we want that tech asap. Just quote us the necessary price (we're at ~950g with around +50gpt) and we'd be more than happy to help. We're also waiting on your request for payment for engineering. Something else you should know - Monkey has recently contacted us, asking for us to end the war and turn on CoD. We will reply soon with a firm reply of 'no.' ~Octavian X

	20-05-2004 08:22									#258
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From CoD

quote: Damn! I already moved our horses to Gorilla88. Hopefully we won't get massacred too. Here's a resend of Arrian's message: quote: Octavian, I just wanted to finalize our deals for Engineering and Invention. I think we quoted you 1/3 cost on Engineering. That would be 288 gold. That doesn't include any devaluation, but on the other hand we got you Feudalism via trade too. Is that acceptable? We are currently researching Invention at 8 turn pace. Our beaker output this turn was 147. Divided into thirds (us, you, python), that's 49 beakers/turn. So, if you could send us 49 gold per turn, that will cover the research costs nicely. If we get a devaluation from another team getting the tech first, and/or if we can turn down research on the final turn (likely), we will refund whatever is appropriate. One question that I'm not sure how to answer is what to do regarding trades to other teams. I don't expect there will be many opportunities to sell Invention to MAST, SS or LL, but you never know. If that happens, perhaps we can agree that any sale made must be for cash, and the cash will be split 3 ways? Sound good? Finally, regarding selling feudalism: that should be Tabemono's tech to sell. They traded it to us for Engineering, with the condition that we could pass it on to you, but no other team. Therefore, please do not sell it on. Thanks, -Arrian

	20-05-2004 09:12									#259
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Responded:

quote: Cort Haus: Can do. We'll send the gold next turn. One quick question - how do want that gpt - in an actual gpt deal for 20 turns, or for the time of the gold, or what? Taking that requested 49gpt over 8 turns is 392g. With the 288g, we could just send a 680g lump sum for all of the costs. How does that sound? ~Octavian X

	21-05-2004 08:21									#260
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quote: Octavian X, Yes, send it in a lump if it's available rather than GPT, thanks Comiserations on your recent losses, and thanks for holding firm to the alliance. Monkey makes offers to us too on occasions, but like yourselves we are comitted to seeing this through. We might take some losses if they can get NMs to attack Gorilla88, but hopefully they won't have enough in range, so will instead defend Gorilla and split the stack that you were facing. If we get hammered it'll be our Somme for your Verdun. Regards, Cort

quote: ( - we'll send you Feudalism as soon as it is needed, but we're holding back to stop devaluing it for LL. Once LL has it we'll send.) -Cort

And, from the Monkey's Hot_Enamel

quote: Hey Oct, Just a quick note. Team Monkey have been planing an assault on the main forum for some time now. Just to liven it up a bit, and generate a bit of fun. We have a problem however, that some of our tongue-in-cheek posts wont be showing team Python in their best light. Some in our team fear that we will upset your membership and ruin any chance of you taking our offer seriously. So... We are requesting that you provide some indication on how your discussion is going with our offer in the next 24 hours. After that ... the poo starts flinging. Of course, it is hoped that Python will see our posts for what they truly are ... just pure fun at your team expense And that it wont effect the serious nature of our offer. But, if it is your opinion that your team is seriously considering it, and there is a possibility that it is accepted, and that our main forum posts would hurt any chance it had, then we will not go ahead. Regards Hot_Enamel of Team Monkey

	21-05-2004 08:36									#261
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I think H_E's note calls for an emergency propaganda, errrr, cranial liberation campaign of our own.

	21-05-2004 09:29									#262
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Reponded to Monkey message, but lost text of message...

Basically, rejected peace offer, and asked them not to make it personal in any forum propoganda, and and told them we wouldn't do that either. Just remember, it's all in good fun.

	21-05-2004 20:17									#263
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Obviously. I'm looking forward to a little more give and take over there.

	22-05-2004 07:00									#264
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Hehe, have fun.

Here's the monkey reponse to my reply. My original response is marked by the > in front of each line.

quote: > Hot_Enamel, > > While we are pleasently suprised by Team Monkey's renewed offer in light of > recent events, we must reject. We will not abandon CoD, as we know they > will not abandon us. We feel turning on them would be a most despicable > thing to do, worse than what was admitedly a not-so-honorable thing we did > to you. We expected as much.. However it is still quite entertaining for us to receive correspondence from both you and CoD. There are considerable differences between what you both say your alliance is. [big hint] As a fellow warrior, I feel we should warn you to ensure your borders are well fortified. [/big hint] > > In regard to the upcoming propoganda wars, God knows I've been looking for > some excitment in this game. However, I ask one thing - refrain from making > anything personal. Though I know it's all in good fun, some people do take > these things seriously. Just keep it all aimed at the team in general, and > there shouldn't be a problem, as well do the same thing. > We are well aware of the risk of someone taking offense. All of our posts will be very "direct" and hopefully very damaging to puthon & CoD diplomatically. But certainly never directed to one single person. Hopefully most we see it as the harmless fun as it intended. > ~Octavian the Tenth > Supreme Prime Minister for life, and all around useless fat guy, The > Republic of the Castle of Loimbard. > > P.S.: Your mother was a hampster, and your father smelt of elderberries! > > > Let the poo flinging begin

	22-05-2004 07:16									#265
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They're either absolutely certain this was all CoD's idea and we're being played or doing a damn fine job of pretending.

Just to get it on the record, if CoD were planning a backstab, I'd be absolutely shocked if players like Arrian and Cort Haus let Monkey be aware of it at all. [/CaptainObvious]

	22-05-2004 18:01									#266
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quote: We have only one enemy. Team "Cake or Python".

- hot _enamel

This has given me a crazy idea, We should send a joint public announcement with Cake or Death stating that we have formalised all relation and are now effectively a single entity called the CakePythonUnion

	22-05-2004 20:08									#267
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As long as whatever we do along those lines doesn't cause a NW team to take it seriously and decide they really should help Monkey after all, good idea.

	25-05-2004 04:15									#268
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From CoD's Cort Haus.

quote: Octavian X, Our ten horses are fine, the enemy just stationed their stack at Gorilla8 as hoped. This should ease the pressure on your side while you recuperate. They have 12 cats and 6 numids. Cats are: Catapult, Sod Thrower,, Chucker, Dung Heaver, Feces Flinger, Turn Slinger, Fruit Cake Launcher, Heavy Heaver, Justice, Poo Flinger, Sheeeit Flinger, Hurler of Python Swordsmen NMs are: Cubby's bis Sis, Elite Renher Mack, Rangers Sylvester, Olllie, Trudy, Macaquian Invention comes in 6 turns - when your 10 archers get to SP. Then we can start Gunpowder! Question is, do we keep harassing their NW with a full stack, or send six units to Howler Island, trying to take it down before they can get 2 harbours and horses connected? We'll probably put units on boats and send round the coast to keep Monkey defending that side. We could even land a force to their south. Any comments / suggestions welcome... Cheers, ~Cort

	25-05-2004 04:32									#269
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In response:

quote: Cort Haus, Sounds good. When longbows come along, we should be able to take out a good number of the NMs. My own instinct, in regard to Howler Island, is that it's better to take out their chances of horses and secure that source for our side. With one stone, we can kill two birds - deny Monkey the horses, and get Python some for the movement necessary to make it across the continent for quick(er) backup. Of course, this is my own opinion, not to be interpreted as an imperitive - the battle is now essentially at a standstill while we wait for invention, and while we heal, unless Monkey stages it's own offensive (something I doubt will occur). ~Octavian X

	23-06-2004 09:12									#270
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From Cort Haus:

quote: Hi Solomwi, We complete Invention next turn, and have been able to turn the slider down one notch to save 30g. We sent you your 10g change in the save with a WM. Unfortunately, the Secret of Monkey Island (TM) is that they've got a cute little sea wall which sees them safe until Marines. We may have been just one turn too late, as we spotted a galley near there last turn. We can either return our horses to the main stack or keep an NM or 5 down south while trying for Elites on Barbs. We'll be upgrading 10 archers next turn. Regards Cort Haus Cake or Death?