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Do you vote to ratify this ammendment?
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Arnelos is offline Arnelos
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Ammendment for Consular Elections Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Ammendment to the Constitution for Consular Elections

The ammendment alters Article A ("The Consuls") to read (added sections in bold):

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A. The Consuls
  1. Three Citizens shall be elected as Consuls.
    a. Initial elections will occur upon ratification of this Constitution.
    b. There will be an opportunity to nominate the Consuls, and then an election, where the 3 people with the most manual ballots are chosen as Consuls.
    c. Each month, one of the three Consul positions shall come up for election.
    d. Consul positions which have never undergone scheduled elections shall undergo scheduled elections once per month in order of the tenure of the position's occupant until all Consul positions have undergone scheduled elections.
    e. Once all Consul positions have undergone scheduled elections, the Consul position up for election each month shall be the one which has gone 3 months since its last scheduled election.
    f. Any citizen who is not holding another Consul position may become a candidate.
    g. Candidates for scheduled Consular elections must announce their candidacy by the 4th day of the month.
    h. Scheduled Consular elections will be held for 48 hours starting on the 7th of the month.
    i. If a single candidate obtains a majority of votes in the first vote, he will be the new Consul.
    j. If no candidate achieves a majority of the votes, then a second vote will immediatley be held for 48 hours between the two leading candidates of the first vote. If a tie on the first vote prevents only two candidates from being chosen for the second vote, then any ties will be broken by a vote of the the other Consuls and the three ministers until there are only two leading candidates available for the second vote.
    k. If there is a tie vote and only two candidates have received votes, the current holder of the Consul office will break the tie.
    l. If a Change of Command (CoC) is successfully exercised against a sitting Consul, the citizen who becomes Consul will fill that Consul position until the next scheduled election for the position rather than receiving his own 3-month term from the date of the CoC.

  2. The Consuls have the authority to play the game.
  3. The Consuls have the authority to make final game decisions, but must act within the boundaries of the law.
  4. The Consuls should follow legal minister orders unless forced by unforseen circumstances.
  5. One Consul shall be appointed President.
  6. The Consuls have the power to rule on senatorial disputes in a manner they see fit.
  7. Consuls may only be removed from office by a vote of No-Confidence.
  8. The Consuls appoint Ministers.
  9. A Consul may appoint a replacement Consul for himself for up to a two week period of time so that vacations and other such short term absences won't interupt the game. Before the absence the Consul shall start a thread naming a replacement and the replacement shall accept before it is considered official. Upon returning from the absence, the Consul needs only to post that he has returned and state that he is relieving the replacement of his duties in order to reclaim the Consulship. The replacement Consul has all powers and responsibilities of a regular Consul except that he may not call a CoC on himself nor may any other team member call a CoC on the replacement.



Pertinent threads:

Proposed Ammendment on Consular Elections, started by Arnelos on September 25th

Consular Elections: Choice 2, started by MrWhereItsAt on September 9th

Consular Election Discussion: Other Questions, started by notyoueither on August 16th

Consular Elections: Choice 1, started by notyoueither on August 6th

Consular election discussion, started by notyoueither on July 9th

Consul Elections Discussion Thread, started by MrWhereItsAt on June 24th

New Ammendment: Election of Consuls, started by Togas on June 23rd (not sure what happened with this one)

Ammendment to the Constitution: Election of Consuls, started by BigFree on June 20th (poll declared invalid)

Rotation of Consuls, started by Master Zen on May 27th

Another constitutional proposal, started by Pikesfan on February 17th

Consul Election Results (and issues), started by Togas on February 16th

Consul Election Thread, started by Togas on February 13th

Consul Nomination Thread, started by Togas on February 11th

Consul speculation..., started by Arnelos on February 10th

Constitution Ratification, started by Thud on Feburary 7th (passed)

People demand leaders!!!, started by Meshelic on February 2nd

Friends, Apolytonians, Countrymen..., started by Beta on February 1st

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If passed, NotYouEither will be up for re-election on Tuesday, Oct 7th. If anyone wants to run against him, you must state so before Saturday, October 4th.

--Togas

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Thank you very much for getting this done, Arne. We desperately need elections on a regular basis.

from me.

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good luck to any potential candidate...

I vote yea

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Seems very good. Maybe we should refine the chapter subdivision to make the document more readable.

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Originally posted by BigFurryMonster
Seems very good. Maybe we should refine the chapter subdivision to make the document more readable.




Yeah, I thought it was rather lopsided once I was done tacking everything on to it myself.

Then again, it's a legal document... they aren't all very aesthetically appealing

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Then again, it's a legal document... they aren't all very aesthetically appealing


Time to change that.

What I mean is:

add chapter titles like:

Consuls
-- Elections of consuls
-- Candidates for the position of Consul
-- Power of consuls
-- ...

...etc.

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Ignoring some old chestnuts like the "President" Consul thing, this is fine.

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Shouldn't ammendment votes be topped?

(until voting is over, after which you're free to de-top it)

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I voted yes. But unless I missed it, it does not specifically state that the consul being replaced can in fact run for that consul position again. It may be implied, but if this is what we intend - and I for one think we should - than we should state it.

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I voted yes. But unless I missed it, it does not specifically state that the consul being replaced can in fact run for that consul position again. It may be implied, but if this is what we intend - and I for one think we should - than we should state it.


I wrote it of the mind that if you do not specifically prohibit the current holder of the office to run, they may run. Since it states that any citizen may run and Consul, by definition, are citizens, they may run!

The only restriction is that it does specifically state that you may not hold more than one Consul seat at a time (since there are 3 of them).

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Originally posted by Arnelos


I wrote it of the mind that if you do not specifically prohibit the current holder of the office to run, they may run. Since it states that any citizen may run and Consul, by definition, are citizens, they may run!

The only restriction is that it does specifically state that you may not hold more than one Consul seat at a time (since there are 3 of them).


Thanks for the clarification Arnelos. That is what I figured was implied.

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This has been closed and passed. Setting up nomination thread.

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This can be de-topped now. Please add appropriate changes to the Constitution found in the InfoCenter.

Thanks.

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Done, Arn.

I don't know why I didn't do this earlier - I have been very off my game (EVERY game) for a time now.

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