19-07-2004 17:18									#1
	AU 601: Collection of Links and DARs Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

i've compiled a list of AU601-links which i'll keep updated. please post here, if anything is wrong or outdated.
also, for each couple, please somebody post the current year every -let's say- 20-30 turns.


general AU601 multiplayer threads:

• original thread: Summer Term: AU 601 - Introduction to Multiplayer
  
• civ choice thread: AU 601: Pick the civs (ignore the other thread)
  
• DAR advisory: AU 601 Protocol
  
• chat about AU601 stuff here and verbally finish off your oponent: AU 601: Trash Talk Thread
  

code:



Ruleset, Level
	
tracker thread
current year
Rome
Greece
	
DAR thread(s)
score (rank) [year]



AU mod, Demigod
tracker
≥670bc
Dominae
--
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
469 (6.) [670bc]
--
Krill
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
293 (7.) [670bc]
game ended @~670ad (abandonned)



AU mod, Emperor
tracker
≥800ad
	
nbarclay
--
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
1373 (1.) [890ad]
--
Theseus
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
1019 (3.) [890ad]
 nbarclay MP-WINNER @890ad, SP-WINNER @1730ad (domination, 6309 points)



AU mod, Emperor
tracker
≥500ad
	
alexman
--
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
1143 (1.) [660ad]
--
jshelr
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
673 (5.) [660ad]
 alexman MP-WINNER @660ad, SP: ?



AU mod, Emperor
tracker
≥230bc
	
Punkbass2000
--
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
384 (5.) [230bc]
--
ZargonX
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
451 (2.) [230bc]



Stock rules, Emperor
tracker
≥250ad
	
MotownDennis
--
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4

--
conmcb25
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4




Stock rules, Emperor
tracker
890ad
	
Rhothaerill
--
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
973 (4.) [890ad]
--
Beta
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
1089 (2.) [890ad]
 Rhothaerill MP-WINNER @890ad (Beta resignes), SP: ---



AU mod, Monarch
tracker
≥430ad
	
sabrewolf
--
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
866 (1.) [430ad]
--
Andydog
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
364 (6.) [430ad]
 sabrewolf MP-WINNER @430ad, SP: ?



AU mod, Monarch
tracker
≥750ad
	
Aqualung71
--
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
763 (1.) [750ad]
--
Paddy the Scot
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
512 (7.) [750ad]



AU mod, Monarch
tracker
≥110ad
	
Strollen
--
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
572 (1.) [110ad]
--
smellymummy
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
535 (2.) [110ad]



AU mod, Monarch
tracker
≥850bc
	
snoopy369
--
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
222 (4.) [~900bc]
--
kwpulliam1973
DAR1, DAR2, DAR3, DAR4
178 (7.) [~900bc]

Last edited by sabrewolf on 26-09-2004 at 04:57

	19-07-2004 17:18									#2
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here the DAR rules:

quote: Originally posted by alexman Everyone gets 4 DAR threads, that can be read by players of the same side who have not yet finished their game if certain conditions are met: DAR1: Read if you have the entire pangaea revealed, and you have reached the Middle Ages. The poster in this thread should not reveal the presence or location of any islands offshore of the pangaea, nor the presence of any strategic resources except iron and horses. DAR2: Read if you have the entire map revealed (including ocean). You must also have knowledge of Gunpowder. This thread should not reveal the location of any Industrial or Modern age resource. DAR3: Read if you have discovered refining and replaceable parts. This thread should not reveal the location of any Modern age resource. DAR4: Read if you have discovered Rocketry and Fission. This thread can reveal everything.

	19-07-2004 17:32									#3
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here the AU601 rules:

quote: Originally posted by alexman All players will be divided into pairs. Each pair will play a PBEM game on a standard pangaea map with six AI. For comparison purposes, all games will be played on the same map, with the same civilizations. Human players will agree not to attack any city that has not been founded by their own civilization, unless that city belongs to the other human. Also, they may not take control of such cities by any other means (peace negotiations, culture flips). Since the human players will not be neighbors, early rushes are ruled out. Instead, both players will concentrate in the early game on manipulating the AI to their advantage. Can you bribe the AI to attack your human opponent? Can you be the first one to make a profit from trading? Leter in the game, we are likely to have a military showdown between human players, but the AI will still play a role. Can you convince the AI to vote for you in the UN elections? Can you secure the resources needed for a spaceship launch by trading with the AI, or will the other human beat you to it? Each player will have a DAR thread dedicated to himself, where he is the only one to post the progress of his game. Each player may update his thread with screenshots, saves, and even ask advice from members of the AU community. Neutral observers will be able to follow the games, compare them, and comment in a special spoiler thread. It goes without saying that players should not peek in other threads until their game is finished, and neutral observers should not give out spoilers in ongoing game threads.

	19-07-2004 17:52									#4
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Thanks for compiling this, sabrewolf!
Very nice job.

Here's some missing info:

• Strollen (Rome) and smellymummy (Greece) are playing AU mod, Monarch.
  
• nbarclay (Rome) and Theseus (Greece) are playing AU mod, Emperor.
  
• snoopy369 (Rome) and kwpulliam1973 (Greece) are playing AU mod, Monarch.
  

	19-07-2004 18:36									#5
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thanks for the info

1st post updated.

3rd post also updated with the rules... everything correct there?

	19-07-2004 18:36									#6
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We are up to 2070 BC.

	19-07-2004 18:46									#7
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thanks for that, theseus

from now, i'd recommend everybody to post when following turns have been reached:
- 2750bc: 25 turns, switching to 40 years/turn
- 1750bc: 25 turns, switching to 25 years/turn
- 1250bc: 20 turns
- 750bc: 20 turns, switching to 20 years/turn
- 250bc: 25 turns
- 250ad: 25 turns, switching to 10 years/turn
- 500ad: 25 turns
- 750ad: 25 turns
- 1000ad: 25 turns
- 1250ad: 25 turns, switching to 5 years/turn
- 1350ad: 20 turns
- 1450ad: 20 turns
- 1550ad: 20 turns
- 1650ad: 20 turns
- 1750ad: 20 turns, switching to 2 years/turn
then we'll see further

more often, and the thread will reach 500 posts too soon, less often, and it's too much out of date


edit: at each update, you can optionally post the current score

Last edited by sabrewolf on 19-07-2004 at 18:55

	19-07-2004 18:55									#8
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last things i'm missing:
- dominae vs. krill's difficulty level and ruleset
- who's attacking enemy cities and who isn't. cultural conversions accepted or not?


and does anybody know how i can use line feeds for making the html-table more visible to edit (not all on one line) without having it converted by vBulletin to < br> s? i've tried using an incomplete tag, but that didn't work...

	19-07-2004 19:24									#9
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Dominae (Rome) vs Krill (Greece) is at Demigod, stock rules.

Not sure what everyone else is doing, but we are playing with one simple rule: no attacking or otherwise obtaining a city that has been founded by the AI.

	19-07-2004 20:03									#10
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updated...

quote: Originally posted by alexman Dominae (Rome) vs Krill (Greece) is at Demigod, stock rules.

, demigod!!!

but i also to all AU-mod-emperor players!

	19-07-2004 23:20									#11
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Theseus and I are using a rule that if one of us enlists AIs to attack the other, the victim can capture or raze up to two cities from each enlisted AI in each war. The main reason for that provision is so there will be a potential price to be paid (in terms of allowing the other player to expand more) for hurling AIs into warfare with the other player. We can also take up to two cities per AI total in wars where AIs attack us without provocation.

Here's our score situation as of 2070 BC. Theseus built a second city relatively early while I was (gasp! ) working on setting up a settler pump, but I've been catching up just a little in score the last few turns.

Nathan

Attachment: bc 2070 score.jpg
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Last edited by nbarclay on 19-07-2004 at 23:44

	20-07-2004 00:38									#12
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interesting rules, nathan
gives me an idea on how to spread: make the AI attack each other, and settle the area as soon a city gets razed

anyway, interesting that persia is a top-civ in our game too, only just overtaken by germanics (year 1725bc, see attachment).

edit: why has the other screenshot got chat symbols for every player (also AI) and mine doesn't have them at all?

Attachment: au601_10.png
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Last edited by sabrewolf on 20-07-2004 at 01:10

	20-07-2004 02:53									#13
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf thanks for that, theseus from now, i'd recommend everybody to post when following turns have been reached: - 2750bc: 25 turns, switching to 40 years/turn - 1750bc: 25 turns, switching to 25 years/turn - 1250bc: 20 turns ... more often, and the thread will reach 500 posts too soon, less often, and it's too much out of date

well please pardon my DAR then, because I'm posting whenever I feel there's something to post about, basically when I get around to it.

I do include a good enough general summary IMO, I just don't include every little detail.

	20-07-2004 03:20									#14
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no, i meant posting turn updates _here_.

the DARs are completely free. you can do everything between "4000BC: started, 1675AD: won" and a perfect move-by-move description

	20-07-2004 03:23									#15
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thanks for clarifying that

strollen vs smellymummy is at 950BC btw. we didn't set up any tracker thread. we're doing fine without one anyway

	20-07-2004 09:50									#16
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Here's 1725 BC from Theseus's and my game. (I didn't think to grab a 1750 screenshot, and I'm too lazy to go back for one; besides, 1725 is the year Saberwolf posted.)

Attachment: bc 1725 score.jpg
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	20-07-2004 10:18									#17
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Interesting... I don't see the chat thingies in my screens either, although Nathan does. :hmm:

	21-07-2004 02:21									#18
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quote: :eeek:, demigod!!!

sabre, Trust me, I will not survive to the AD's...

the AI already has twice my score...

	21-07-2004 02:59									#19
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at demigod, the AI gets 2 starting settlers. so it's surely going to have double your score in the beginning... but you'll be catching up as soon as your settler pump(s) are in place

your human oponent however could be another problem

	21-07-2004 03:07									#20
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sabre, want to swap games?


And thank you for setting up this thread.

Dom and I are at 2700BC

	21-07-2004 11:29									#21
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1350BC in my last turn for tonight.

I am basically kicking Nathan's *ss.

(NOT... he tied me in score this turn, for whatever that's worth. Good on him! )

	22-07-2004 06:03									#22
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Here's the scores of my game with Theseus as of 1250 BC.

Attachment: bc 1250 scores.jpg
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	22-07-2004 06:10									#23
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B*stard.

	22-07-2004 07:48									#24
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Hey, what do you expect when you slow down your REXing to build a temple in a game I'm involved in? (At least that's what my Praetorian Intelligence Agency believes happened based on Athens's current standing in the "top five cities" chart.)

Edit: The Praetorian Intelligence Agency just noticed that two of the other civs have Literature, and have revised their estimate. It now seems more probable that the building in Athens is a library rather than a temple.

Last edited by nbarclay on 22-07-2004 at 11:19

	22-07-2004 09:27									#25
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I'm planning on a culture win. It'll be a tourist attraction down the road, don;t you know.

	22-07-2004 09:50									#26
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I thought Score meant nothing...

	22-07-2004 13:01									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae I thought Score meant nothing...

In the early game, score provides a fair indication of how big an empire is. It can be a bit misleading in that a civ with a denser city build pattern will have a lower score than a civ with a less dense pattern, but in the absence of anything better to go by, it's worth keeping track of.

The fact that my score is higher than Theseus's and is growing more quickly tells me that either my empire noticeably is larger than his in the combination of size and population (with size having the stronger impact) or Theseus is using a significantly denser city build pattern than I am. Since I know how dense my own city build pattern is, I can come up with an educated guess at how likely Theseus is to be using a significantly denser one. Similarly, Theseus knows his build pattern and can come up with an educated guess at how likely I am to be using a significantly denser one than he is. We might be guessing wrong, but at least the score picture gives us something to go by as a hint at the relative sizes of our empires.

(There's one other twist to that question: how will the multiplayer nature of this game and the special rules it operates under affect the city build densities Theseus and I use? We each know a little about how the other handles SP games from watching each other's Apolyton University games, but will that be a reliable guide to how we approach this game?)

Nathan

	22-07-2004 21:18									#28
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My thinking exactly... the big wild card being how MP influences our decisions. Score, in the early game, is in my mind kinda "raw horsepower", which is an interesting gauge and worth paying attention, but does not go to the Seven Pillars.

	23-07-2004 05:08									#29
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Well, then, the AIs in Krill and I's game are kicking our butts, no matter how you look at it!

	23-07-2004 05:14									#30
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Here are the scores:

Attachment: au601 scores, 2390bc.jpg
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